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watt price tully 
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The tone with Tone over Terror included death cult, alarm, & regular lip smacking & making Tone appear tough.
The tone with Mal is more considered.
Nothing has changed in terms of terror laws.
The tone with Tone was making all asylum seekers out to be potential terrorists & to isolate the muslim community (whether intentional or not)
The tone & action with Mal is to engage the Muslim community to amongst other things bring "them" on board to assist with intelligence gathering & de-radicaliztion.
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HAL
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David 
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He's definitely the better and more intelligent/sensitive communicator by far (incomparable, really). But I am concerned that on the policy front he's pursuing the same illiberal agenda. They're still trying to push these sinister citizenship laws through, for instance.
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I'm glad the rhetoric has gone down a notch.
Malcolm is unfortunately stuck with the old policies until the next election, although they might be tweaked a bit. Hopefully Abetz and his ilk retire then. |
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | | He's definitely the better and more intelligent/sensitive communicator by far (incomparable, really). But I am concerned that on the policy front he's pursuing the same illiberal agenda. They're still trying to push these sinister citizenship laws through, for instance. |
They're still the same scumbag libs who only serve the narrow interests of big money, of course that hasn't changed. Some fools even got caught up by Mal's smooth delivery. He will deliver the same agenda as always with some changes at the margins.
However the "Tone" has changed. I'm grateful for that in more ways than one.
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| The Tone of the former p.m was far from Christian. |
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Wokko 
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Abbott looking strong and principled and Turnbull looking like the weak, mealy mouthed social progressive he really is? I sure have noticed the difference.
Abbott was a twat, but he'd be a far better wartime leader than Turnbull. |
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David
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Abbott would make a great wartime missile.
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watt price tully
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| Wokko wrote: | Abbott looking strong and principled and Turnbull looking like the weak, mealy mouthed social progressive he really is? I sure have noticed the difference.
Abbott was a twat, but he'd be a far better wartime leader than Turnbull. |
An opinion gratefully, we'll never it panned out like that.
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stui magpie 
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I actually thought Turnbulls response was well done. I liked how his voice changed when he started talking about how freedom will win out. I thought he came across strongly while staying in complete control.
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Wokko
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | Abbott looking strong and principled and Turnbull looking like the weak, mealy mouthed social progressive he really is? I sure have noticed the difference.
Abbott was a twat, but he'd be a far better wartime leader than Turnbull. |
An opinion gratefully, we'll never it panned out like that. |
True. I see Abbott, and please bear with me here, as like Churchill. An almost ineffective leader with deep seated personal issues and prejudices who, in a time of war managed to show a necessary steely will and aggression needed to achieve victory. As you say, always better to not have to discover if I'm right or not. (I didn't even say Turnbull would be like Chamberlain  ) |
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3.14159
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Even with the benefit of nearly a hundred years of hindsight I can see Abbott thought-bubbling a new plan to send the troops ashore at Gallipoli!
I can even seeing him trying to put a plan to cabinet to use Nerve gas on the Kurds.
What I can't see is Abbott string more than 3 words together and not repeating himself.
Don't get me wrong, Churchill was a great man but to compare him favourably with our ex P.M is an insult to Winston.
First lord of the Admiralty, Statesman, (Nobel prize winning) author, historian, painter, veteran of the Boar war...etc etc etc.
He persuaded people by the power of his rhetoric and the passion of it's delivery.
Churchill was a TRUE multi-talented National hero.
Abbott on the other hand is a failed priest, failed cement depot manager, failed journalist, and failed P.M who couldnt govern the country, his cabinet or even his own mouth!
What "war-leader" would let the world know his countries shipyards can't be trusted to build a canoe?
Abbott was talentless* single dimensional belligerent National Zero that desperately wanted to be seen as a great war time leader.
When war came, it wasn't the Unions gays, women or even the ISIS "death cult" that lead to his demise... it's was his own cabinet!
To compare Churchill with Abbott is like comparing a silk purse with a sows ear!
*behaving like a rabid an attack dog every-time some-one disagrees with you (or you find disagreeable) is NOT a talent, it's a medical condition.
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watt price tully
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| Wokko wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | Abbott looking strong and principled and Turnbull looking like the weak, mealy mouthed social progressive he really is? I sure have noticed the difference.
Abbott was a twat, but he'd be a far better wartime leader than Turnbull. |
An opinion gratefully, we'll never it panned out like that. |
True. I see Abbott, and please bear with me here, as like Churchill. An almost ineffective leader with deep seated personal issues and prejudices who, in a time of war managed to show a necessary steely will and aggression needed to achieve victory. As you say, always better to not have to discover if I'm right or not. (I didn't even say Turnbull would be like Chamberlain ) |
Man, that's some juxtaposition. I was trying to bear with you but that was a big ask. Unfortunately the Mad Misogynist Monk would only think in terms of how he could wedge the ALP. Let's see what he actually says when a an Australian Soldier dies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dHwhlRLRs4
and a statesman? Nope I can't see it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmR9CesbXk
Winston Churchill, I don't think so
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