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David 
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PTID, what are your thoughts on some of the more classical leftist critiques of political correctness? That PC is a means of perpetuating inequality, racism, sexism etc. by making sure people just say the right things and avoid confronting uncomfortable realities?
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I introduced myself to someone the other day at work to commence an assessment & the ice affected person told me to "f*ck off c.nt"
I didn't think that was correct whether politically or not
& no she was not a friend, not did she know me well either 
Hadn't been sworn at like that for a very long time. Nice way to start the working day  
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| David wrote: | | PTID, what are your thoughts on some of the more classical leftist critiques of political correctness? That PC is a means of perpetuating inequality, racism, sexism etc. by making sure people just say the right things and avoid confronting uncomfortable realities? |
It's is a bit like discussing the finer points of the last judgement, forgetting the minor inconvenience that it might well be completely imaginary!
If you mean control of language as an expression of power, it could be, but that's not a general law given both dissidence and harmless everyday trivia do exactly the same thing with language. I guess it could signify ossification.
The worry over the worry over the use of language does remind me of the aesthetic fetish within Leftist groups over "the right structure". There's no way of measuring or testing it, as opposed to, say, the decline in real wages or the relationship between ethnicity and high school graduation rates.
And it's not even good poststructuralism, because it is just a worry without further definition. Take Foucault's work in contrast; the bloke had clearly argued hypotheses about the world and conducted extensive content analysis in order to explore them. He didn't just blurt out any old arbitrary or even plausible shite that entered his mind. And now, you can take his claims about discipline and punishment and actually look for them in the data.
That said, I'm happy for any claim to be deconstructed. So, if they're really serious and not just talking Internet dribble, and actually claiming *should/not* do x because y causal mechanism results in z, then their job is to explain x, y and z first. Just how much is this worry over worry over language constraining progress, if at all? We certainly do know that vilification damages people and can prove it in the lab in brain scans. But what damage does efforts to counter vilification through PC language do, if any? Perhaps it is merely annoying but still does good; who knows?
But why would we bother wasting time on any old idea which enters our heads which might possibly be right? I mean, we have to have a reasonable hypothesis. This stuff really does look more like an invented worry that is indicative of OCD or having too much spare time than anything else.
Edit: major rewrite!
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David
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| Is "Oi, c$&nts" still acceptable or does that have to be confined to formal settings, such as addressing a diocesan committee? |
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David
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 That's more like it.
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stui magpie 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Is "Oi, c$&nts" still acceptable or does that have to be confined to formal settings, such as addressing a diocesan committee? |
Apparently it doesn't quite carry in context to the USA. Using the C word overe here is near as bad as the N word, except every race will try to frag you.
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| I watched a movie recently about some gentleman with attitude that were straight out of Compton. |
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Is "Oi, c$&nts" still acceptable or does that have to be confined to formal settings, such as addressing a diocesan committee? |
Apparently it doesn't quite carry in context to the USA. Using the C word overe here is near as bad as the N word, except every race will try to frag you. |
OH SHIT, im going to need gaffer tape
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Pies4shaw
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Is "Oi, c$&nts" still acceptable or does that have to be confined to formal settings, such as addressing a diocesan committee? |
Apparently it doesn't quite carry in context to the USA. Using the C word overe here is near as bad as the N word, except every race will try to frag you. |
I take it you've test driven the expression under controlled, experimental conditions? |
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