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| Is political correctness a good thing or a bad thing? |
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Wokko 
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| I thought political correctness was that thing that we beat in the 90s. There really isn't anything original anymore is there? |
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think positive 
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| Mugwump wrote: | | What the.... I quoted the n-word above with complete disapproval and someone (an algorithm?). substituted "i am racist" in its place ....! How completely bizarre. If it was a human being that substituted those words in that place, then i'd like to know who, please. |
I just read the whole post twice again trying to find it!
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| think positive wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | What the.... I quoted the n-word above with complete disapproval and someone (an algorithm?). substituted "i am racist" in its place ....! How completely bizarre. If it was a human being that substituted those words in that place, then i'd like to know who, please. |
I just read the whole post twice again trying to find it! |
I wouldn't bother.... political correctness is so phorked up. 
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Mugwump
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| think positive wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | What the.... I quoted the n-word above with complete disapproval and someone (an algorithm?). substituted "i am racist" in its place ....! How completely bizarre. If it was a human being that substituted those words in that place, then i'd like to know who, please. |
I just read the whole post twice again trying to find it! |
Someone's now put "n*gger" in that place, so it no longer recognises the word, and it's removed the "I am racist" insertion. I quoted the actual word in my OP, and the ghost moderator in the machine did its work. I nearly spat my coffee across the room when I saw it.
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David
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'N*gger' was my intervention, Mugwump - obviously the "I am racist" thing is a pretty stupid filter. I think it goes back to the early days of Nick's BB. I'll see if I can get it changed.
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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | | 'N*gger' was my intervention, Mugwump - obviously the "I am racist" thing is a pretty stupid filter. I think it goes back to the early days of Nick's BB. I'll see if I can get it changed. |
Yep, all a little silly. It's so easy to get past that kind of thing with inventive spelling, etc. thanks
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It's mostly a means of creating a straw man argument. It's used to rationalise & justify all manner of things.
Years ago the left so to clumsily speak, used the term "ideologically sound" as a put down on others from the left.
Most commonly it is used to distinguish oneself about "the other".Howard used it successfully to wedge, as Trump is doing currently. The term is used a lot of the time by the right to label & triivialize the "other".
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I don't know why, but I really find the N word offensive. Even in the movies, when the gang guys call each other N...... It just sounds nasty. I guess it has too many connotations of the slave era for me.
(The Carlton thing was funny, shame they changed it!)
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Wokko
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David
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stui magpie 
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Yep it's funny, Chris Rock always is and yeah it makes fun of the loaded situation where it's OK for an African American to call another one Niggar, but it's verboten for a white person to use it.
The use of offensive words in context and different people's reactions is interesting.
example, in the USA the word Kunt is a serious insult, usually perceived to be directed at women and is highly offensive no matter what context you use it in.
In Aus if I refer to Tannin as a grumpy old kunt that's borderline a term of endearment. Same principle as the word bastard a few generations back was a deadly insult in England and a form of greeting in Australia.
African Americans have taken possession of the word Niggar like the greeks and Italians have taken possession of the word W0g in Aus.
Makes it frigging hard sometimes to converse when the language is a loaded land mine.
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HAL
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David
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I kind of understand how people can't get their heads around the fact that African-Americans say it all the time but if a white person says the exact same word it's the end of the world. It's kind of absurd however you look at it. But when I think about it, it's not like we actually need to say it in any context unless we're deliberately trying to be offensive (in which case, we'll probably get the response we're looking for).
The exceptions are a) discussion of the word itself, which I don't think we need to pussyfoot around, whatever some politically correct people might say (as Louis CK says, the term 'the n-word' is kind of ridiculous); and b) humour. That's where it gets tricky. But again, I think it comes down to context and intent. If you're trying to offend, or using the word to disparage African-Americans, then, again, you'll get the response you're asking for. But if you're parodying African-American language, or riffing on the word itself and its social status, I think any offence is likely more of a reflection on the dumb intolerance of the offendee than any actual transgression against public decency. As with complaints about 'cultural appropriation', sometimes offence is just chauvinism dressed up as victimhood.
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| stui magpie wrote: |
Yep it's funny, Chris Rock always is and yeah it makes fun of the loaded situation where it's OK for an African American to call another one Niggar, but it's verboten for a white person to use it.
The use of offensive words in context and different people's reactions is interesting.
example, in the USA the word Kunt is a serious insult, usually perceived to be directed at women and is highly offensive no matter what context you use it in.
In Aus if I refer to Tannin as a grumpy old kunt that's borderline a term of endearment. Same principle as the word bastard a few generations back was a deadly insult in England and a form of greeting in Australia.
African Americans have taken possession of the word Niggar like the greeks and Italians have taken possession of the word W0g in Aus.
Makes it frigging hard sometimes to converse when the language is a loaded land mine. |
That's a good post. Your point about it being difficult is an important one if I may riff on it.
The literal physical diversity around us, coupled with our awareness of the larger world and the perspectives and rights of others, is definitely onerous. That's a curious development in history which only a few traditional "crossroads" countries or peoples have ever faced. Most other cases in history have involved grossly unequal rights and subjugation.
Once something becomes physical reality like the present multiculturalism for a sustained period, it starts to become a basic literacy which is taught in schools, codified in regulations in workplaces, and so on.
That in turn makes life tough for those in resistant pockets of outdated culture who refuse to adapt. The more mainstream the new reality gets, the more stubborn they become, eventually disqualifying themselves from mainstream social interaction at any level of authority or leadership.
It's a bit like people who can't use computers or access the Internet; they're basically making themselves a member of a new underclass.
A lot of the reaction towards PC language - though certainly not all - comes from that sort of futile resistance to change. It gets dressed up as if it's an issue of personal liberty, but it's really a refusal to upgrade in the face of inevitable socio-economic change.
The fact is we know more; we live cheek-by-jowl with more people; we have more diverse friends; we have new affections for different groups; we benefit financially and in other ways from the contribution of diverse others; and we know that diversity and the need to interact with it to succeed socially and financially is only growing.
So, as complicated as it is, only the foolishly stubborn or outcast refuse to make a go of it, turning inevitable world change into a self pity and denialism that shoots their life prospects in the foot. Some also become disruptive wreckers, focusing on issues with new groups which haven't adjusted yet, as if that proves the problem is with the world, rather than within their underdeveloped cognitive and emotional skill set.
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Some folks use the non politically correct stand as an excuse for rudeness.
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