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Wokko 
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| watt price tully wrote: |
Actually, you're right, you've convinced me. We need women's only gun laws |
One central argument for the right to bear arms is giving women the ability to defend themselves against much larger, stronger and aggressive attackers. A firearm is a great equalizer.
An article you may find interesting as well given your flippant remarks about blaming feminism.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/how-to-stop-mass-shootings/
In short it makes a similar argument to that made for terrorism, that having large groups of disaffected and emasculated men causes some to lash out at society. In effect we should look at the cause rather than the symptom. Considering there have always been firearms throughout the American community, there is certainly an argument to be made that something has changed in society since the 1960s to create this phenomenon. (Before 1960 most mass shootings were family murders or felony shootings, ie during a bank robbery etc).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990 |
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David 
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Were high powered assault weapons as prevalent in the general community as they are now? I'm guessing not.
There may well also be more social dysfunction in America today than there was then. It would make sense; harmful phenomena never have one single cause. But take away a major ingredient from the cocktail and these shootings will not happen. If there is greater social dysfunction in America today, then all the more reason to take the match away from the fuse.
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HAL
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sixpoints
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Massive cuts to the budget for Mental Health provision in the U.S over the past 50 years. You want small government, poorly funded mental health & easily available firearms throughout the populace and this is what you'll get. Periodical mass shootings & an epidemic of suicide by gun.
http://www.bazelon.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=GzmAbAweikQ%3D&tabid=436
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Tannin 
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Of course the place is dysfunctional. For one thing, it's full of bloody Americans.
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Tannin
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| Wokko wrote: |
giving women the ability to defend themselves against much larger, stronger and aggressive attackers. A firearm is a great equalizer |
Correct! It's such a great equaliser that, in America where anyone can own and use a gun, 90% of the gun killings are committed by males. 97% of the school mass murderers are males and 79% of them are white males.
Great equaliser for women. Yer right.
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David
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| Tannin wrote: | | 79% of them are white males. |
78% of the US population is white. What point are you trying to make exactly? 
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watt price tully 
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| Wokko wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: |
Actually, you're right, you've convinced me. We need women's only gun laws |
One central argument for the right to bear arms is giving women the ability to defend themselves against much larger, stronger and aggressive attackers. A firearm is a great equalizer.
An article you may find interesting as well given your flippant remarks about blaming feminism.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/how-to-stop-mass-shootings/
In short it makes a similar argument to that made for terrorism, that having large groups of disaffected and emasculated men causes some to lash out at society. In effect we should look at the cause rather than the symptom. Considering there have always been firearms throughout the American community, there is certainly an argument to be made that something has changed in society since the 1960s to create this phenomenon. (Before 1960 most mass shootings were family murders or felony shootings, ie during a bank robbery etc).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990 |
The biggest worry for me Wokko is that you believe it.
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Wokko
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| David wrote: | Were high powered assault weapons as prevalent in the general community as they are now? I'm guessing not.
There may well also be more social dysfunction in America today than there was then. It would make sense; harmful phenomena never have one single cause. But take away a major ingredient from the cocktail and these shootings will not happen. If there is greater social dysfunction in America today, then all the more reason to take the match away from the fuse. |
Explain to me what an 'assault weapon' is and I might be able to answer that one. I would guarantee that an WW2 M1 Garand or M1 Carbine would be more than capable of causing just as much damage as the 5.56mm AR15 that seems to fit the bill for 'assault weapon' because it looks scary.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/foghorn/gun-review-us-rifle-caliber-30-m1-m1-garand/
The technology of civilian firearms hasn't really changed all that much in the last 50 years or so, some of the best weapons came out of WW2 and have simply been improved on rather than revolutionized. For example the German machine gun MG42 (and its variants) from WW2 is still in use today, and its performance stacks up with most modern weapons, in fact the more modern version (MG3) fires slower.
The changes since the 60s have been largely cultural and demographic, but as you say there is no single "cause" but firearms ownership certainly isn't one of them. |
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watt price tully
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Another gun shooting this time in Parramatta Sydney.
A police officer killed by another disaffected, inadequate if not pathetic young male. This time a Muslim of sorts.
Legalize gun ownership. I don't think so.
We need to ban young men (15-45). They are simply too dangerous.
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Pies4shaw 
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Tannin
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| David wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | 79% of them are white males. |
78% of the US population is white. What point are you trying to make exactly? |
Way to go! When you screw a pooch, do it big time. Think it through, david. 39% of the male population is white, your 78% figure is meaningless.
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David
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Have you been having a few*, Tannin? That's some atrocious maths. 
*Not that I'm in a position to judge after last night. Or this morning. I forget which one it was.
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| watt price tully wrote: | Another gun shooting this time in Parramatta Sydney.
A police officer killed by another disaffected, inadequate if not pathetic young male. This time a Muslim of sorts.
Legalize gun ownership. I don't think so.
We need to ban young men (15-45). They are simply too dangerous. |
Since I have two 20 something daughters, I'll second that!
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David
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| watt price tully wrote: | | We need to ban young men (15-45). They are simply too dangerous. |
You say this stuff as if it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but sometimes I get the impression that you sincerely have a prejudice against the male gender.
Of course men are massively over-represented in gun crime statistics, just as they are in all other violent crime. But shouldn't we be trying to understand what's causing this dysfunction rather than throwing out glib comments that essentially amount to "men are bad"?
Indigenous over-representation in crime statistics requires careful, compassionate analysis, not vilification. The same ought to go for other demographics.
| think positive wrote: | | Since I have two 20 something daughters, I'll second that! |
Perhaps if you both had sons you would feel differently.
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