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watt price tully 
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Cambodia deal in tatters after only four Nauru refugees resettled at cost of $13m each
Cambodia says thanks for funding.
Just when you thought this shambles of a government couldn't f*ck-up any more they do.
This time Scott Morrison & the incompetent Peter Dutton must take responsibility for the calamity costing tax payers gazillions. Oh the Mad Misogynist Monk, what a mess.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/31/cambodia-has-no-plans-to-take-more-nauru-refugees-in-55m-australia-deal
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David 
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The really sad thing is that this means that the majority of our unresettled refugees are stuck in limbo. Cambodia don't want them; PNG don't want them. It's unsafe for many or them to return home. What's going to happen to them?
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| David wrote: | | The really sad thing is that this means that the majority of our unresettled refugees are stuck in limbo. Cambodia don't want them; PNG don't want them. It's unsafe for many or them to return home. What's going to happen to them? |
The really really sad thing David is most Australian's don't give a ****. About the refugees that is. |
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | | The really sad thing is that this means that the majority of our unresettled refugees are stuck in limbo. Cambodia don't want them; PNG don't want them. It's unsafe for many or them to return home. What's going to happen to them? |
North shore of Sydney looks pretty good.
Mind you, where do any of refugees / asylum seekers go. It's sad & appalling in one.
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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | | The really sad thing is that this means that the majority of our unresettled refugees are stuck in limbo. Cambodia don't want them; PNG don't want them. It's unsafe for many or them to return home. What's going to happen to them? |
It is horrible, and tragic, but as events in Europe this week again proved, people smuggling has to be stopped. The weekly drownings in the Mediterranean, the lorries with 70 suffocated people inside them, abandoned by Bulgarian organised crime. These are the wages of our current asylum policies. The only way I can see it being stopped, short of completely open borders, is for the wealthier nations to refuse to take people who arrive unauthorised. We may quibble about the methods, but it seems to me that the government has this broadly right, and Europe will probably eventually have to adopt a similar solution, if it can.
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If the ethical benefits of stopping people smuggling - if that were even possible - are so much greater than allowing people to risk their lives at sea, then wouldn't the few refugees with the resources for a boat trip make that calculation themselves and stay home? The fact that so many don't would seem to suggest that there are, in fact, some things worse than risking death at sea.
Sometimes, 'cruel to be kind' turns out to be not so kind after all.
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| David wrote: | If the ethical benefits of stopping people smuggling - if that were even possible - are so much greater than allowing people to risk their lives at sea, then wouldn't the few refugees with the resources for a boat trip make that calculation themselves and stay home? The fact that so many don't would seem to suggest that there are, in fact, some things worse than risking death at sea.
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Using that logic, it is surely far better to be safe on Manus Island than back in the original locaition or at sea in a leaky boat. I don;t know the precise stats, but I'm almost certain that for every death vastly more get through. The dream of a better life will accept those odds, because it wont happen to you. The rational markets hypothesis works in favour of the people smugglers because we indirectly aid them.
Sometimes being kind turns out to be feeling virtuous about individual cases while remaining detached from the 1-in-x consequences.
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watt price tully
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[u] | Mugwump wrote: | | David wrote: | If the ethical benefits of stopping people smuggling - if that were even possible - are so much greater than allowing people to risk their lives at sea, then wouldn't the few refugees with the resources for a boat trip make that calculation themselves and stay home? The fact that so many don't would seem to suggest that there are, in fact, some things worse than risking death at sea.
Sometimes, 'cruel to be kind' turns out to be not so kind after all. |
Using that logic, it is surely far better to be safe on Manus Island than back in the original locaition or at sea in a leaky boat. I don;t know the precise stats, but I'm almost certain that for every death vastly more get through. The dream of a better life will accept those odds, because it wont happen to you. The rational markets hypothesis works in favour of the people smugglers because we indirectly aid them.
Sometimes being kind turns out to be feeling virtuous about individual cases while remaining detached from the 1-in-x consequences. |
Step right up, step right up: have I got a deal for you: Only 54 million so far for 4 people:
Tony Abbott and other senior Australian ministers have defended a $55m refugee resettlement deal with Cambodia after a spokesman for Cambodias government said it had no plans to take any more than the four refugees it has already accepted.
Four refugees an Iranian couple, an Iranian man and a Rohingyan man from Burma were transferred from Nauru to the Cambodian capital Phnom Penh in June. They live in relative luxury in an Australian-funded villa, and will remain there indefinitely...
From the Guardian online
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