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Dave The Man 
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| mudlark wrote: | | I think Witts is streets ahead of Grundy.Particularly in the smarts dept. |
I don’t think Grundy is Dumb and has showed he can use the Ball Well. Quite Good Field Kick.
I just think he Rushes his Disposal too much
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Dave The Man
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| Geek wrote: | | Anyway, I'm with the other posters who mentioned Grundy's bright start to the year. Maybe the neck thing bothered him a bit and maybe he has a niggle in the legs that's responsible for a diminished leap. But he's just a 21 year old playing the most brutal position in the game. He's up against some bloody monsters each and every week and on top of that, has a half dozen midfielders throwing their knees into him at every stoppage around the ground as the 3rd man up. He's then gotta heft his 100 kg frame around for 2 hours, getting to and winning as many contests as he can. It's gotta wear a young man out over the course of the season. |
Lot of 21 Year Old Rucks have not even Debuted yet at AFL Level
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matrix10
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I thought Grundy was excellent last weke around the ground against swans and has generally been very good this year.
He has had a few ordinary games, yet this is to be expected for a young bloke.
Perspective |
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matrix10
Joined: 17 May 2009
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| MJ23 wrote: | Player Statistics Comparison - Grundy / Goldstein at the same age
Grundy / Goldstein
17 Games 13
8.1 Kicks Per Game 3.5
7.6 Handballs Per Game 4.5
15.7 Disposals Per Game 8.0
3.5 Marks Per Game 2.8
0.4 Goals Per Game 0.7
0.2 Behinds Per Game 0.3
4.6 Tackles Per Game 1.4
24.2 Hitouts Per Game 13.8 |
thanks for this- perspective |
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woftam 
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure.
Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Location: Carum Downs, Vic
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Just a little more perspective.
Grundy - 13 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles & 29 hitouts
Maric - 16 disposals, 4 marks, 6 tackles & 25 hitouts
Week before - Rucked against Tippett most of the night.
Grundy - 20 disposals, 2 marks, 5 tackles & 28 hitouts
Tippett - 13 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles & 27 hitouts
Week before - rucked against Kruezer
Grundy -14 possessions, 3 marks, 9 tackles & 37 hitouts
Kruezer - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 5 tackles & 27 hitouts.
He is doing well against far more experienced & heavier opponents.
Heaps of upside left as well.
I think Grundy & Witts have both improved. We are just expecting too much too soon from ruckman. They are now raving about Max Gawn from the Dees, but he couldn't get a senior gig at the same age as Grundy. We need to be patient with the big men. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| woftam wrote: | Just a little more perspective.
Grundy - 13 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles & 29 hitouts
Maric - 16 disposals, 4 marks, 6 tackles & 25 hitouts
Week before - Rucked against Tippett most of the night.
Grundy - 20 disposals, 2 marks, 5 tackles & 28 hitouts
Tippett - 13 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles & 27 hitouts
Week before - rucked against Kruezer
Grundy -14 possessions, 3 marks, 9 tackles & 37 hitouts
Kruezer - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 5 tackles & 27 hitouts.
He is doing well against far more experienced & heavier opponents.
Heaps of upside left as well.
I think Grundy & Witts have both improved. We are just expecting too much too soon from ruckman. They are now raving about Max Gawn from the Dees, but he couldn't get a senior gig at the same age as Grundy. We need to be patient with the big men. |
Wise words. You've convinced me. I guess I'm just a bit worried that it may take another 3-4 years for them to become dominant ruckmen, when we really need them to start winning consistently in the ruck next year and to become dominant forces in 2017 our expected Premiership year. Here's hoping. |
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Albert Parker
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| MJ23 wrote: | Player Statistics Comparison - Grundy / Goldstein at the same age
Grundy / Goldstein
17 Games 13
8.1 Kicks Per Game 3.5
7.6 Handballs Per Game 4.5
15.7 Disposals Per Game 8.0
3.5 Marks Per Game 2.8
0.4 Goals Per Game 0.7
0.2 Behinds Per Game 0.3
4.6 Tackles Per Game 1.4
24.2 Hitouts Per Game 13.8 |
Well done MJ for your perspective. Of course, Goldstein may not have been his club's primary ruckman at his club, but still that itself is a big ask of a 21yo.
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thompsoc
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And yes Collingwood got 9 more i50's
on Saturday.
We must be better than Richmond!
So lets bring out the Stats to prove anything and everything.
Give me a break!
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| RudeBoy wrote: | [quote="woftam"]Just a little more perspective.
Grundy - 13 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles & 29 hitouts
Maric - 16 disposals, 4 marks, 6 tackles & 25 hitouts
Week before - Rucked against Tippett most of the night.
Grundy - 20 disposals, 2 marks, 5 tackles & 28 hitouts
Tippett - 13 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles & 27 hitouts
Week before - rucked against Kruezer
Grundy -14 possessions, 3 marks, 9 tackles & 37 hitouts
Kruezer - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 5 tackles & 27 hitouts.
He is doing well against far more experienced & heavier opponents.
Heaps of upside left as well.
I think Grundy & Witts have both improved. We are just expecting too much too soon from ruckman. They are now raving about Max Gawn from the Dees, but he couldn't get a senior gig at the same age as Grundy. We need to be patient with the big men.[/quote]
Wise words. You've convinced me. I guess I'm just a bit worried that it may take another 3-4 years for them to become dominant ruckmen, when we really need them to start winning consistently in the ruck next year and to become dominant forces in 2017 our expected Premiership year. Here's hoping. |
OK Let's talk about you. |
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Albert Parker
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| thompsoc wrote: | And yes Collingwood got 9 more i50's
on Saturday.
We must be better than Richmond!
So lets bring out the Stats to prove anything and everything.
Give me a break! |
Granted, the stats don't prove anything but they are at least one perspective and an objective one at that.
Better than offering little other than poisonous, negative slants on things as some posters seem to manage.
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jackcass 
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| woftam wrote: | Just a little more perspective.
Grundy - 13 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles & 29 hitouts
Maric - 16 disposals, 4 marks, 6 tackles & 25 hitouts
Week before - Rucked against Tippett most of the night.
Grundy - 20 disposals, 2 marks, 5 tackles & 28 hitouts
Tippett - 13 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles & 27 hitouts
Week before - rucked against Kruezer
Grundy -14 possessions, 3 marks, 9 tackles & 37 hitouts
Kruezer - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 5 tackles & 27 hitouts.
He is doing well against far more experienced & heavier opponents.
Heaps of upside left as well.
I think Grundy & Witts have both improved. We are just expecting too much too soon from ruckman. They are now raving about Max Gawn from the Dees, but he couldn't get a senior gig at the same age as Grundy. We need to be patient with the big men. |
I'll preface this comment by saying I'm a huge fan, he's shown significant improvement this year, and he'll continue to get better as he gains more experience. Another preseason will also do wonders.
But those numbers don't tell the story of his ball use over the last 3 weeks. It has been very ordinary. |
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| jackcass wrote: | | woftam wrote: | Just a little more perspective.
Grundy - 13 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles & 29 hitouts
Maric - 16 disposals, 4 marks, 6 tackles & 25 hitouts
Week before - Rucked against Tippett most of the night.
Grundy - 20 disposals, 2 marks, 5 tackles & 28 hitouts
Tippett - 13 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles & 27 hitouts
Week before - rucked against Kruezer
Grundy -14 possessions, 3 marks, 9 tackles & 37 hitouts
Kruezer - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 5 tackles & 27 hitouts.
He is doing well against far more experienced & heavier opponents.
Heaps of upside left as well.
I think Grundy & Witts have both improved. We are just expecting too much too soon from ruckman. They are now raving about Max Gawn from the Dees, but he couldn't get a senior gig at the same age as Grundy. We need to be patient with the big men. |
I'll preface this comment by saying I'm a huge fan, he's shown significant improvement this year, and he'll continue to get better as he gains more experience. Another preseason will also do wonders.
But those numbers don't tell the story of his ball use over the last 3 weeks. It has been very ordinary. |
he real problem is that too often after 3 or 4 possessions, we are linking up with Grundy, when other teams get it to a Cyril or a Smith by then.
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| jackcass wrote: | | woftam wrote: | Just a little more perspective.
Grundy - 13 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles & 29 hitouts
Maric - 16 disposals, 4 marks, 6 tackles & 25 hitouts
Week before - Rucked against Tippett most of the night.
Grundy - 20 disposals, 2 marks, 5 tackles & 28 hitouts
Tippett - 13 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles & 27 hitouts
Week before - rucked against Kruezer
Grundy -14 possessions, 3 marks, 9 tackles & 37 hitouts
Kruezer - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 5 tackles & 27 hitouts.
He is doing well against far more experienced & heavier opponents.
Heaps of upside left as well.
I think Grundy & Witts have both improved. We are just expecting too much too soon from ruckman. They are now raving about Max Gawn from the Dees, but he couldn't get a senior gig at the same age as Grundy. We need to be patient with the big men. |
But those numbers don't tell the story of his ball use over the last 3 weeks. It has been very ordinary. |
Together with 21 other teammates. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Oh don't we love statistics - they are the bees knees of the ultimate truth.
So lets go there and prove that the Hobbit is better than Rioli!
Lets look at the current 2015 season, Blair has played 18 games and Rioli 19 games
Both play the same position forward pocket/flank with a run in the midfield.
Now the first Stat to look at is disposals, probably the most important Stat!
Rioli - 280
Hobbit - 275
As Rioli has had one more game then it should be noted that Blair collects more of the ball than Rioli on average.
Now everyone tells me the Hobbit is a tackling machine
Rioli - 82
Hobbit - 77
So the Hobbit is as good as Rioli at tackling!
Now lets look at a different Stat that is important to a forward, Frees for and Against and if you don't think that is important go ask Cloke!
Riloi 21/18 FF/FA
Hobbit 27/15 FF/FA
So the Hobbit clearly gets more frees and gives away less frees than Rioli and to a forward that is gold!!!
So on these Stats it could be argued that the Hobbit is better than Rioli!!
Now if you follow the line that Stats are the truth then the above Stats don't lie!!
So the Hobbit is a better player than Rioli!
Really the Hobbit is better than Rioli..... hahahahahahahahahaha!
So please don't trot out meaningless Stats to prove point after point
and relegate opinion to the dustbin!
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Cuthbert Collingwood 
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He's disposing of the ball at 63% this year with 3.4 clangers a game, which is poor. On the other hand he's averaging 25 hitouts, 4.6 tackles, 3.3 clearances and 90 supercoach points which is all pretty bloody good. definitely heading in the right direction and better than probably any other current rucks at his age.
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