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Stupied
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Neither Witts or Grundy are good marks. This is a major flaw. |
Both are young and have the capacity to improve in that area though. There aren't very many young ruckmen who are great contested marks early in their career. |
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RudeBoy
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| Stupied wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | Neither Witts or Grundy are good marks. This is a major flaw. |
Both are young and have the capacity to improve in that area though. There aren't very many young ruckmen who are great contested marks early in their career. |
I hope you're right Stupied. |
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Jezza 
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Grundy looked great in the first half of the year but I think it's important to remember that his neck injury at training really quelled his momentum and he hasn't looked the same since.
I've got some concerns about Grundy but nothing that really warrants immediate attention for now from a ruck perspective. Grundy's ruck abilities will naturally develop with more game time and experience but I do get annoyed at the fact that he looks clueless when he has the ball. He doesn't seem to know where to drill the ball or find a good option when he has it.
He's only 21 and generally ruckman take years to fully develop. The fact that we have two good ruck prospects coming through the ranks is already a good sign as Collingwood in the past has really struggled to find good rucks especially since Monkhorst left the club at the end of 1999 and Josh Fraser didn't live up to expectations as the number 1 pick.
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MJ23
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Player Statistics Comparison - Grundy / Goldstein at the same age
Grundy / Goldstein
17 Games 13
8.1 Kicks Per Game 3.5
7.6 Handballs Per Game 4.5
15.7 Disposals Per Game 8.0
3.5 Marks Per Game 2.8
0.4 Goals Per Game 0.7
0.2 Behinds Per Game 0.3
4.6 Tackles Per Game 1.4
24.2 Hitouts Per Game 13.8
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| John Wren wrote: | | Dangles wrote: | He's only played 39 games and according to Footywire the majority of his career high stats have happened this year which suggests he's improving.
But with Big Cox coming along so well in the twos and Darcy Moore looking like a competent future back up ruckman I'm finally open to the idea of trading either Witts or Grundy if we get a decent offer. |
let's not get too carried away with cox. even allowing for a couple of solid performances he still has some way to go. i wouldn't be trading either grundy or witts. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| SwansWay wrote: | | You're not giving him much of a chance. I mean he's 21 and we've seen what he can do at his best. He's out-of-form sure, but you can't turn over the list whenever a player has a string of average games. I don't think he's played THAT badly, just a little down from where he was. His groundwork and second efforts are pretty good. Todd Goldstein is 27 and it's only been in the last couple of years that he's become one of the premier ruckmen in the league. Doesn't happen overnight. |
I agree. Both Witts and Grundy coming along nicely. Can't understand why people expect Goldstein and Sandilands level performances from these guys when even those players weren't delivering them at an equivalent age. |
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Grundy was great at the Start of the Year when he was Rucking Alone. Seemed to go backwards a bit when Witts came in and Bucks played the 2 Rucks. Neck Injury would not of Helped.
The Big Thing for me he needs to Improve is his Timing at Center Bounces
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jackcass
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| Jezza wrote: | Grundy looked great in the first half of the year but I think it's important to remember that his neck injury at training really quelled his momentum and he hasn't looked the same since.
I've got some concerns about Grundy but nothing that really warrants immediate attention for now from a ruck perspective. Grundy's ruck abilities will naturally develop with more game time and experience but I do get annoyed at the fact that he looks clueless when he has the ball. He doesn't seem to know where to drill the ball or find a good option when he has it.
He's only 21 and generally ruckman take years to fully develop. The fact that we have two good ruck prospects coming through the ranks is already a good sign as Collingwood in the past has really struggled to find good rucks especially since Monkhorst left the club at the end of 1999 and Josh Fraser didn't live up to expectations as the number 1 pick. |
Even aside from the neck injury, I've seen Grundy getting treatment on his back a couple of times this season and wonder if he's actually going at 100% |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| John Wren wrote: | | Dangles wrote: | He's only played 39 games and according to Footywire the majority of his career high stats have happened this year which suggests he's improving.
But with Big Cox coming along so well in the twos and Darcy Moore looking like a competent future back up ruckman I'm finally open to the idea of trading either Witts or Grundy if we get a decent offer. |
let's not get too carried away with cox. even allowing for a couple of solid performances he still has some way to go. i wouldn't be trading either grundy or witts. |
2nd That - Cox Game on Saturday was his 1st game he really looked like a AFL player
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John Wren 
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| Dangles wrote: | | Darkstranger wrote: |
It also begs the question - who the hell is our ruck coach these days?????? |
Can we get Crackers Keating? He was a ripper big game specialist. |
ask 3rd degree about his thoughts on crackers keating.
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Neither Witts or Grundy are good marks. This is a major flaw. |
I agree, we don't seem to take a contested mark around the ground between either of them. Makes a big difference when your ruckmen are dropping back in the hole and holding up an attack.
Maybe he is a little affected by the neck injury on the training track, possibly even more psychologically than physically. |
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Cuthbert Collingwood 
Once was on fire, now all at sea
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| MJ23 wrote: | Player Statistics Comparison - Grundy / Goldstein at the same age
Grundy / Goldstein
17 Games 13
8.1 Kicks Per Game 3.5
7.6 Handballs Per Game 4.5
15.7 Disposals Per Game 8.0
3.5 Marks Per Game 2.8
0.4 Goals Per Game 0.7
0.2 Behinds Per Game 0.3
4.6 Tackles Per Game 1.4
24.2 Hitouts Per Game 13.8 |
Settle petal! Let's not get facts and hard stats get in the way of a good roast!
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mudlark
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Location: Maroochydore Qld
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| I think Witts is streets ahead of Grundy.Particularly in the smarts dept. |
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hermie
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: melbourne
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| not many ruckman are great marks for some reason,sandi took 2 marks in the gf natanoui took 2 marks in the first 4 games of the year i say give them time |
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Geek
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| jackcass wrote: |
Even aside from the neck injury, I've seen Grundy getting treatment on his back a couple of times this season and wonder if he's actually going at 100% |
He did his back in season 1 if you recall. Might be a carry over from that perhaps. As someone with a bad back, I can tell you they never quite heal. Mind you I'm a 40 year old, 130kg, lazy ex smoker, so my ability to recover from injury might be a little below that of Grundy's.
Anyway, I'm with the other posters who mentioned Grundy's bright start to the year. Maybe the neck thing bothered him a bit and maybe he has a niggle in the legs that's responsible for a diminished leap. But he's just a 21 year old playing the most brutal position in the game. He's up against some bloody monsters each and every week and on top of that, has a half dozen midfielders throwing their knees into him at every stoppage around the ground as the 3rd man up. He's then gotta heft his 100 kg frame around for 2 hours, getting to and winning as many contests as he can. It's gotta wear a young man out over the course of the season. |
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