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| What'sinaname wrote: | [quote="thompsoc"][quote="Bucks2014"]
The positive for me was Greenwood, he will be a good player for us. Clearly his best game for the year. His injury obviously took him time to find his feet, no pun intended, actually it was his ankle wasn't it. [/quote]
I've watched Levi closely for a number of weeks now and I am not that impressed.
He is a tough hard working player. But he has no flair, he is slow and a poor user of the ball. He brings nothing that we haven't got already.
He is not a lemon but he is nothing special except for his hardness.[/quote]''
Ball going around anther 12 months would have added more. Levi has a bit of meh about him. |
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | Bucks2014 wrote: |
The positive for me was Greenwood, he will be a good player for us. Clearly his best game for the year. His injury obviously took him time to find his feet, no pun intended, actually it was his ankle wasn't it. |
I've watched Levi closely for a number of weeks now and I am not that impressed.
He is a tough hard working player. But he has no flair, he is slow and a poor user of the ball. He brings nothing that we haven't got already.
He is not a lemon but he is nothing special except for his hardness. |
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Ball going around anther 12 months would have added more. Levi has a bit of meh about him. |
Surely you're taking the piss. Anyway agree to disagree, stand by my comments, thought he was good today.
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Like everyone, it's a disappointing loss to put it mildly. Sorry I'm not buying this, 'we had nothing to play for today' excuse so hence a 91 point drubbing. Do St Kilda have anything to play for tonight against Geelong? Guess what - they are having a go.
I'm also not buying the 'well Matlhouse and Matthew's had days like this' excuse either. Neither of those two inherited a team that finished on top of the ladder 2 years in a row, won a GF and only lost 3 games all season the year before they took over. Buckley inherited arguably the best list in the comp.
I'm also not buying the 'we are spoilt' mentality, Hawthorn are spoilt, Geelong over the last ten years, Sydney and Brisbane of the modern era. 2 Grand finals in 57 years is not spoilt. Sure we have had far more success than St Kilda, the Bulldogs and Melbourne over the last 50 or so years but we are not, St Kilda, the Bulldogs or Melbourne - we are COLLINGWOOD.
'The most famous sporting club in the country', 'The biggest club in the land' - we are talked up to be the biggest and best, we talk ourselves up but deliver very very little. Gary Pert before we played Freo Rd 1 2014 - a GF in 3 years, Ed, the start of this season - we can sneak a GF. Plain delusion, as usual talking ourselves up, delivering very little.
The succession plan - I thought a succession plan was supposed to - wait for it - deliver SUCCESS?! The plan was to rejuvenate the team around the stars of Cloke, Sidebottom, Swan, Pendles and Reid. That aint going to happen, I think we have some real good young talent, but they will not be peaking until Swan, Cloke, Pendles and Reid are gone from the game.
Can anyone else think of a GF team that has lost as many GF players as us? Beams, Harry, Dawes, Thomas, Shaw, Wellingham? The young players we have bought into the side, as I said, I think are very talented but trading/losing all these players means we have a small group of good mature talent, good young talent and nothing in between.
I don't necessarily think we have to get rid of Buckley, though he should only be given 1 more year to get us back into the 8, but his appointment has been a disaster, we will not win a GF while we still have any remnants of the 2010 team on our list, which is what he was hired to do, he has spoken about building a dynasty - a Collingwood where supporters do not have to wait 20 or 32 years in between success - he said this at the Copeland last year.
Talking pipe dreams of a dynasty sounds great but we are at least 3 years away from being a contender/top 4 team - with everything going right and it must be everything - we wont have Swan in 3 years, or possibly Cloke and Pendles will be 30.
We are building a good young list that might deliver one day in the future - it might, it might not.
Moore, DeGoey, Scharenberg, Marsh, Elliot, Frost, Langdon, Broomhead, Grundy are all very talented but these blokes are all years off being able to shoulder the burden to win games for us and we are dreaming if we think they could do that in finals any time soon, if ever at all.
The fact is, Ed and Bucks have pi$$ed away the talent and success from 2010 and 2011 to put us back in the pack with no more a certain path to success over any other club we are fighting it out against.
We have no choice but to hang tough and support the team but we should never sit back and accept this current mediocrity - NEVER.
By the way, the umpires today were flat out cheats, they should be hog tied, paraded around the CBD and have tomatoes pelted at them, which would be a waste of tomatoes.
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| McMonkey wrote: | Like everyone, it's a disappointing loss to put it mildly. Sorry I'm not buying this, 'we had nothing to play for today' excuse so hence a 91 point drubbing. Do St Kilda have anything to play for tonight against Geelong? Guess what - they are having a go.
I'm also not buying the 'well Matlhouse and Matthew's had days like this' excuse either. Neither of those two inherited a team that finished on top of the ladder 2 years in a row, won a GF and only lost 3 games all season the year before they took over. Buckley inherited arguably the best list in the comp.
I'm also not buying the 'we are spoilt' mentality, Hawthorn are spoilt, Geelong over the last ten years, Sydney and Brisbane of the modern era. 2 Grand finals in 57 years is not spoilt. Sure we have had far more success than St Kilda, the Bulldogs and Melbourne over the last 50 or so years but we are not, St Kilda, the Bulldogs or Melbourne - we are COLLINGWOOD.
'The most famous sporting club in the country', 'The biggest club in the land' - we are talked up to be the biggest and best, we talk ourselves up but deliver very very little. Gary Pert before we played Freo Rd 1 2014 - a GF in 3 years, Ed, the start of this season - we can sneak a GF. Plain delusion, as usual talking ourselves up, delivering very little.
The succession plan - I thought a succession plan was supposed to - wait for it - deliver SUCCESS?! The plan was to rejuvenate the team around the stars of Cloke, Sidebottom, Swan, Pendles and Reid. That aint going to happen, I think we have some real good young talent, but they will not be peaking until Swan, Cloke, Pendles and Reid are gone from the game.
Can anyone else think of a GF team that has lost as many GF players as us? Beams, Harry, Dawes, Thomas, Shaw, Wellingham? The young players we have bought into the side, as I said, I think are very talented but trading/losing all these players means we have a small group of good mature talent, good young talent and nothing in between.
I don't necessarily think we have to get rid of Buckley, though he should only be given 1 more year to get us back into the 8, but his appointment has been a disaster, we will not win a GF while we still have any remnants of the 2010 team on our list, which is what he was hired to do, he has spoken about building a dynasty - a Collingwood where supporters do not have to wait 20 or 32 years in between success - he said this at the Copeland last year.
Talking pipe dreams of a dynasty sounds great but we are at least 3 years away from being a contender/top 4 team - with everything going right and it must be everything - we wont have Swan in 3 years, or possibly Cloke and Pendles will be 30.
We are building a good young list that might deliver one day in the future - it might, it might not.
Moore, DeGoey, Scharenberg, Marsh, Elliot, Frost, Langdon, Broomhead, Grundy are all very talented but these blokes are all years off being able to shoulder the burden to win games for us and we are dreaming if we think they could do that in finals any time soon, if ever at all.
The fact is, Ed and Bucks have pi$$ed away the talent and success from 2010 and 2011 to put us back in the pack with no more a certain path to success over any other club we are fighting it out against.
We have no choice but to hang tough and support the team but we should never sit back and accept this current mediocrity - NEVER.
By the way, the umpires today were flat out cheats, they should be hog tied, paraded around the CBD and have tomatoes pelted at them, which would be a waste of tomatoes. |
Not really, Harry and dawes have done bugger all at deees, wellingham struggles to get a game, shaw is a loose cannon at best, daisy has been a friggin disaster at the scum as he would have been with us. No, we do not accept mediocrity at all, never should we, we had a real bad day today at the office, just as the giants, a similar young team, had today too. One would hope we learn some harsh lessons from todays shocker, and come back hard next week and be a hell of a lot more competitive. 
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Well McMonkey I don't know who you are but it was one great post by you.
Much much better than anything i could write.
I tip my hat to you ...well said.
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | McMonkey wrote: | Like everyone, it's a disappointing loss to put it mildly. Sorry I'm not buying this, 'we had nothing to play for today' excuse so hence a 91 point drubbing. Do St Kilda have anything to play for tonight against Geelong? Guess what - they are having a go.
I'm also not buying the 'well Matlhouse and Matthew's had days like this' excuse either. Neither of those two inherited a team that finished on top of the ladder 2 years in a row, won a GF and only lost 3 games all season the year before they took over. Buckley inherited arguably the best list in the comp.
I'm also not buying the 'we are spoilt' mentality, Hawthorn are spoilt, Geelong over the last ten years, Sydney and Brisbane of the modern era. 2 Grand finals in 57 years is not spoilt. Sure we have had far more success than St Kilda, the Bulldogs and Melbourne over the last 50 or so years but we are not, St Kilda, the Bulldogs or Melbourne - we are COLLINGWOOD.
'The most famous sporting club in the country', 'The biggest club in the land' - we are talked up to be the biggest and best, we talk ourselves up but deliver very very little. Gary Pert before we played Freo Rd 1 2014 - a GF in 3 years, Ed, the start of this season - we can sneak a GF. Plain delusion, as usual talking ourselves up, delivering very little.
The succession plan - I thought a succession plan was supposed to - wait for it - deliver SUCCESS?! The plan was to rejuvenate the team around the stars of Cloke, Sidebottom, Swan, Pendles and Reid. That aint going to happen, I think we have some real good young talent, but they will not be peaking until Swan, Cloke, Pendles and Reid are gone from the game.
Can anyone else think of a GF team that has lost as many GF players as us? Beams, Harry, Dawes, Thomas, Shaw, Wellingham? The young players we have bought into the side, as I said, I think are very talented but trading/losing all these players means we have a small group of good mature talent, good young talent and nothing in between.
I don't necessarily think we have to get rid of Buckley, though he should only be given 1 more year to get us back into the 8, but his appointment has been a disaster, we will not win a GF while we still have any remnants of the 2010 team on our list, which is what he was hired to do, he has spoken about building a dynasty - a Collingwood where supporters do not have to wait 20 or 32 years in between success - he said this at the Copeland last year.
Talking pipe dreams of a dynasty sounds great but we are at least 3 years away from being a contender/top 4 team - with everything going right and it must be everything - we wont have Swan in 3 years, or possibly Cloke and Pendles will be 30.
We are building a good young list that might deliver one day in the future - it might, it might not.
Moore, DeGoey, Scharenberg, Marsh, Elliot, Frost, Langdon, Broomhead, Grundy are all very talented but these blokes are all years off being able to shoulder the burden to win games for us and we are dreaming if we think they could do that in finals any time soon, if ever at all.
The fact is, Ed and Bucks have pi$$ed away the talent and success from 2010 and 2011 to put us back in the pack with no more a certain path to success over any other club we are fighting it out against.
We have no choice but to hang tough and support the team but we should never sit back and accept this current mediocrity - NEVER.
By the way, the umpires today were flat out cheats, they should be hog tied, paraded around the CBD and have tomatoes pelted at them, which would be a waste of tomatoes. |
Not really, Harry and dawes have done bugger all at deees, wellingham struggles to get a game, shaw is a loose cannon at best, daisy has been a friggin disaster at the scum as he would have been with us. No, we do not accept mediocrity at all, never should we, we had a real bad day today at the office, just as the giants, a similar young team, had today too. One would hope we learn some harsh lessons from todays shocker, and come back hard next week and be a hell of a lot more competitive. |
"Wellingham struggles to get a game" Are you fair dinkum? He is one of their key back now!!
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MR Piehead is a resident guru on this board.
Unfortunately, he really is a payed employee of the CFC!
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| Thought it was a good side picked and could upset the Tigers. Didn't give a yelp in the end which was disappointing. Wonder if bucks could ask the players who wants out like Henderson did last week. Looked like he had a few disinterested players out there today |
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| WarrenerraW wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | WarenrraW wrote: | | A big collective boo and f*** you to he Collingwood football club today for your pathetic inept and heartless performance. Made to look like a bunch of plodders and list cloggers, incapable of giving 100% for the club and Its fans. Buckley needs to be publicly shamed as do he players. Can't remember the last time we were this bad. In fact we seem to be getting worse by the week. Same culprits same mistakes and same useless game plan. Come on bucks spin us something. Young developing team my arse. More like useless and clueless. Hang your heads in shame pies. |
The only people who deserve to be publicly shamed are the umpires who officiated the game today. But if it makes you happy by slandering the greatest player who played for our club and is busting his guts to make us a better team, then go for it. |
Not much of a memory, either.
This in 2011 was, in the scheme of things, a bit of a downer:
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2011/040920110902.html
Remember this one in 2009? Guess what happened the following year:
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2009/041520090511.html
Really, folks, get a grip. Collingwood is playing for nothing and Richmond is playing for a top four spot for the first time in 137 years.
Anyway, I think you might find that Derek, rather than Bucks, is in charge of the submarine, at the moment - the standing instruction is, of course, "Dive, dive, dive!" |
Yep Collingwood is playing for nothing is even worse than what I said. Not even for pride. No heart no desire no passion to stop the rot and salvage something from the season. I stand by my words. These guys are on big money and playing and coaching the biggest club in the land. That I'm afraid comes with expectation. I like many others on here expect more than the tripe served up today. |
Look, I think you may be in the minority there. Most of us are very pleased with what's happening because we enjoy the team losing and don't want them winning flags. |
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| McMonkey wrote: | Like everyone, it's a disappointing loss to put it mildly. Sorry I'm not buying this, 'we had nothing to play for today' excuse so hence a 91 point drubbing. Do St Kilda have anything to play for tonight against Geelong? Guess what - they are having a go.
I'm also not buying the 'well Matlhouse and Matthew's had days like this' excuse either. Neither of those two inherited a team that finished on top of the ladder 2 years in a row, won a GF and only lost 3 games all season the year before they took over. Buckley inherited arguably the best list in the comp.
I'm also not buying the 'we are spoilt' mentality, Hawthorn are spoilt, Geelong over the last ten years, Sydney and Brisbane of the modern era. 2 Grand finals in 57 years is not spoilt. Sure we have had far more success than St Kilda, the Bulldogs and Melbourne over the last 50 or so years but we are not, St Kilda, the Bulldogs or Melbourne - we are COLLINGWOOD.
'The most famous sporting club in the country', 'The biggest club in the land' - we are talked up to be the biggest and best, we talk ourselves up but deliver very very little. Gary Pert before we played Freo Rd 1 2014 - a GF in 3 years, Ed, the start of this season - we can sneak a GF. Plain delusion, as usual talking ourselves up, delivering very little.
The succession plan - I thought a succession plan was supposed to - wait for it - deliver SUCCESS?! The plan was to rejuvenate the team around the stars of Cloke, Sidebottom, Swan, Pendles and Reid. That aint going to happen, I think we have some real good young talent, but they will not be peaking until Swan, Cloke, Pendles and Reid are gone from the game.
Can anyone else think of a GF team that has lost as many GF players as us? Beams, Harry, Dawes, Thomas, Shaw, Wellingham? The young players we have bought into the side, as I said, I think are very talented but trading/losing all these players means we have a small group of good mature talent, good young talent and nothing in between.
I don't necessarily think we have to get rid of Buckley, though he should only be given 1 more year to get us back into the 8, but his appointment has been a disaster, we will not win a GF while we still have any remnants of the 2010 team on our list, which is what he was hired to do, he has spoken about building a dynasty - a Collingwood where supporters do not have to wait 20 or 32 years in between success - he said this at the Copeland last year.
Talking pipe dreams of a dynasty sounds great but we are at least 3 years away from being a contender/top 4 team - with everything going right and it must be everything - we wont have Swan in 3 years, or possibly Cloke and Pendles will be 30.
We are building a good young list that might deliver one day in the future - it might, it might not.
Moore, DeGoey, Scharenberg, Marsh, Elliot, Frost, Langdon, Broomhead, Grundy are all very talented but these blokes are all years off being able to shoulder the burden to win games for us and we are dreaming if we think they could do that in finals any time soon, if ever at all.
The fact is, Ed and Bucks have pi$$ed away the talent and success from 2010 and 2011 to put us back in the pack with no more a certain path to success over any other club we are fighting it out against.
We have no choice but to hang tough and support the team but we should never sit back and accept this current mediocrity - NEVER.
By the way, the umpires today were flat out cheats, they should be hog tied, paraded around the CBD and have tomatoes pelted at them, which would be a waste of tomatoes. |
Best list in the comp? That's rubbish. By the end of 2011, we had a decent first 20 - 25 players and after that actually nothing. Have a look back at the list, if you think that's an exaggeration. |
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | McMonkey wrote: | Like everyone, it's a disappointing loss to put it mildly. Sorry I'm not buying this, 'we had nothing to play for today' excuse so hence a 91 point drubbing. Do St Kilda have anything to play for tonight against Geelong? Guess what - they are having a go.
I'm also not buying the 'well Matlhouse and Matthew's had days like this' excuse either. Neither of those two inherited a team that finished on top of the ladder 2 years in a row, won a GF and only lost 3 games all season the year before they took over. Buckley inherited arguably the best list in the comp.
I'm also not buying the 'we are spoilt' mentality, Hawthorn are spoilt, Geelong over the last ten years, Sydney and Brisbane of the modern era. 2 Grand finals in 57 years is not spoilt. Sure we have had far more success than St Kilda, the Bulldogs and Melbourne over the last 50 or so years but we are not, St Kilda, the Bulldogs or Melbourne - we are COLLINGWOOD.
'The most famous sporting club in the country', 'The biggest club in the land' - we are talked up to be the biggest and best, we talk ourselves up but deliver very very little. Gary Pert before we played Freo Rd 1 2014 - a GF in 3 years, Ed, the start of this season - we can sneak a GF. Plain delusion, as usual talking ourselves up, delivering very little.
The succession plan - I thought a succession plan was supposed to - wait for it - deliver SUCCESS?! The plan was to rejuvenate the team around the stars of Cloke, Sidebottom, Swan, Pendles and Reid. That aint going to happen, I think we have some real good young talent, but they will not be peaking until Swan, Cloke, Pendles and Reid are gone from the game.
Can anyone else think of a GF team that has lost as many GF players as us? Beams, Harry, Dawes, Thomas, Shaw, Wellingham? The young players we have bought into the side, as I said, I think are very talented but trading/losing all these players means we have a small group of good mature talent, good young talent and nothing in between.
I don't necessarily think we have to get rid of Buckley, though he should only be given 1 more year to get us back into the 8, but his appointment has been a disaster, we will not win a GF while we still have any remnants of the 2010 team on our list, which is what he was hired to do, he has spoken about building a dynasty - a Collingwood where supporters do not have to wait 20 or 32 years in between success - he said this at the Copeland last year.
Talking pipe dreams of a dynasty sounds great but we are at least 3 years away from being a contender/top 4 team - with everything going right and it must be everything - we wont have Swan in 3 years, or possibly Cloke and Pendles will be 30.
We are building a good young list that might deliver one day in the future - it might, it might not.
Moore, DeGoey, Scharenberg, Marsh, Elliot, Frost, Langdon, Broomhead, Grundy are all very talented but these blokes are all years off being able to shoulder the burden to win games for us and we are dreaming if we think they could do that in finals any time soon, if ever at all.
The fact is, Ed and Bucks have pi$$ed away the talent and success from 2010 and 2011 to put us back in the pack with no more a certain path to success over any other club we are fighting it out against.
We have no choice but to hang tough and support the team but we should never sit back and accept this current mediocrity - NEVER.
By the way, the umpires today were flat out cheats, they should be hog tied, paraded around the CBD and have tomatoes pelted at them, which would be a waste of tomatoes. |
Not really, Harry and dawes have done bugger all at deees, wellingham struggles to get a game, shaw is a loose cannon at best, daisy has been a friggin disaster at the scum as he would have been with us. No, we do not accept mediocrity at all, never should we, we had a real bad day today at the office, just as the giants, a similar young team, had today too. One would hope we learn some harsh lessons from todays shocker, and come back hard next week and be a hell of a lot more competitive. |
But here's the thing man, even though we clearly won everyone of those trades we're still a rabble.
IMO you must have a minimum of 2 elite kicks in your back line, the top teams have 3, we have none, even if we had 1 hed be tagged and rendered useless, I hate to say it but our recruiting since 2010 has been awful, sure we haven't had a heap of good picks but we've consistant drafted and recruited poor kicks.
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Insipid and clueless. The process of Buckleyfication is complete.
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Certainly agree on some of those players Piesnchess
While we might agree/disagree on these players value, it doesn't change the bigger picture, which is, after 2010 and 2011 we are now back in the pack, with no more chance at success than any other club.
In my opinion comparing ourselves to the Giants, while realistic is just so disappointing, it shows how far we have regressed. The Giants are an expansion team, starting from zero in 2012. we started 2012 from 2 GF appearances, now we are even with GWS, for mine, that's not good enough. I agree though, that's the fact of the matter.
Pies4shaw - fair enough, that's your opinion, not mine, after finishing on top of the ladder 2 years running, I think it's reasonable to say we had the best list in the comp. Furthermore we should be better placed than we are now, regardless of how we haggle about the supremacy of our list in 2012.
Onwards and updwards and all of that though, I've got hope we can have a West Coast type year next year but we have to ask ourselves some very tough questions before that can happen and put ourselves under the blowtorch to get there.
Cheers Thompsoc, I don't post often but very much enjoy reading all the posts from the regulars - like your good self!
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| swoop42 wrote: | Out:Frost
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is our list that bad or are you thinking that we need to show what we may get for the players in?
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