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Krakouer Magic
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
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Stick a fork in him. He can't produce. No more excuses.
Swans handed us the game and we couldnt capitalise. Thats been a theme for 4 seasons.
Pies culture now is to choke under pressure and to find wonderful ways to shoot ourselves in the foot through overuse by hand and sh!t disposal/decision making.
I thought Bucks grand vision was to be attacking and use the middle more? All I see is a side afraid of the middle and working the flanks. More so than Malthouse did. Basically, its a team that lacks flare and courage to take the game on.
1. Coast to coast goals happen regularly every week;
2. Red time goals conceded;
3. Goals conceded inside defensive 50 at stoppages; and
4. Turnovers because of too much handpass.
Nothing has improved over 4 seasons in the above 4 mentioned areas.
This side has the talent to be top 8, if not top 4, if coached by someone who knows what he is doing. We have a better list than footscray. No reason why we aren't duking it out with them for top 4 in 2015 other than we don't have the right person in key coaching roles (head coach and assistants).
Make all the excuses you want but a better coach has us in the 8. Its individual talent, not our game plan, that keeps us in games.
Only thing that will save buckley next year is recruiting absolute stars in aish and treloar. Again, it will be talent, not gameplan or coaching that gets us back into the 8.
This list is being wasted by an inexperienced coach that can't get results. FFS name one other coach that needs trevor hendy to come and in and give life coaching advice???
Bag me all you want. But its time to bring an end to this farce. |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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Many of us feel McGuires and Buckley's fates are intertwined; and that we can't have one without the other.
Would think Buckley is safe as long as Eddie is in charge.
I no longer know if that is either good or bad, it just "is what it is"... _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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Ill tell you when the rot started.
It was the PF after the McCarthy funeral.
The lead up and the response.
It let everyone know, the players, the board, the opposition, the media and the coaching group what the fundamentals are.
"Winning isn't important right now"
YES stick the fork in and pull it out quick
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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piedys wrote: | Many of us feel McGuires and Buckley's fates are intertwined; and that we can't have one without the other.
Would think Buckley is safe as long as Eddie is in charge.
I no longer know if that is either good or bad, it just "is what it is"... |
Lets hope Eddie doesn't see it that way anymore.
And as time has gone on, no doubt things are changing.
Its time for Ed to seriously think about the handover, I feel its less than 20 games away. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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It would be good if other Nicksters could tell why we should keep Bucks.
I haven't made up my mind about Bucks! _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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thompsoc wrote: | It would be good if other Nicksters could tell why we should keep Bucks.
I haven't made up my mind about Bucks! |
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Big Dan
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Location: The Outside World
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Have to assess Bucks at the end of next year. From what I've been reading and listening to on radio, most "experts" are tipping the Pies to rise starting next year. Even Bucks has said on a 360 episode that next year is the season it is all due to come together. No finals next year has to mean tough love time. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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Makes no sense to sack a coach at the end of a rebuild, in fact it would be detrimental. The next bloke would never want to risk a rebuild and the list would get run into the ground like the Lions post '03.
As long as next year is finals and the year after pushing top 4 then he's fine, otherwise... |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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If we don't make finals next year then I agree he should be sacked.
We'll have an easier draw again. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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CarringbushCigar wrote: | thompsoc wrote: | It would be good if other Nicksters could tell why we should keep Bucks.
I haven't made up my mind about Bucks! |
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Ever thought about applying for a Rohde Scholar.
With you IQ it should be a easy application. _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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Go back and look at all the '08 and '09 "Sack Mick" threads, it's embarrassing. That's how this will look in 2 years. |
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The_Staunton
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Location: Hobart
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Hate to say it
Don't see any compelling case that this man is going to lead us anywhere
How many times do we lose on the rebound?
How many times do we get caught on the spread after a dumb turnover?
How many times do we watch a shambolically structured forward line or such?
I don't see a single compelling thing that makes me thing this guy can coach beyond some mythical "sweet spot"
I just don't think he's any good... _________________ We just got nutted at the clearances... |
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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The_Staunton wrote: | Hate to say it
Don't see any compelling case that this man is going to lead us anywhere
How many times do we lose on the rebound?
How many times do we get caught on the spread after a dumb turnover?
How many times do we watch a shambolically structured forward line or such?
I don't see a single compelling thing that makes me thing this guy can coach beyond some mythical "sweet spot"
I just don't think he's any good... |
Swanny amazed them
Sidey was awesome in the first half.
We matched a very good side int the midfield.
We had the more potent forwards on the night - we had the better players in defence.
Longmire played Chess with him and left him with severe bruising from the lower regions.
Its a fact.
We all know it.
Its happened countless times before.
We haven't seen it pre-Buckley.
When is the cessation? |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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Is it a logical fact or something you know from the senses? |
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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I've long be in th sunshine and lollipop brigade and defended Bucks relentlessly but afte last night I'm really concerned for th first time.
Look I can handle losing while we are playing youngsters and getting games into them. After the Hawks, Freo, Port run I was very bullish about where we are headed. Yes we've lost 5 games by less than 2 goals win 3 of those and were 6/7th.
But we didn't win them and our form has dropped off markedly.
Don't be confused folks the Swans aren't that good they will make the 8 and be bundled out very quickly. They are imposters
Now the coach can't kick goals for the team and he certainly can't help them on the field making stupid decisions under pressure.
But he can change the theme of how we play.
Try man on man for a change
Why do we constantly pick players who are obviously cooked in regards to confidence (Toovey)
How can players come to the club who are better than average kicks anda turn them into duds ? (Varcoe)
3yrs ago Sidey was a elite kick in the game hitting targets lace out from 30/40m now he can't kick it 10m accurately.
9 times last night he kicked it and it was called play on didn't travel 15m FFS
Has his skill been coached out of him ?
How many goals have we missed from set shots this year from inside 30m ?
I don't think I would be stretching the truth to say it would be over 100 (roughly 5 a game)
Last night they had 800 more games experience fair enough but how many times did players on the outside handballs back into the contest to a team mate under the pump and turn it over ?
Where are our outside runners ?
How many times do you see our players (2&3 at times) rush to the same content leaving there man free who gets the ball and hurts us ?
This is coached it's call manic pressure but surely at some time it's better to just hold your ground and man and make them execute there skills to beat you.
When was the last time we played man on man when the momentum is against us ?
When was the last time we made tactical moves during a game that come up trumps ?
Bucks isn't the sole blame but he is the head coach.
I believe Harvey is a complete dud. Pack him up send him back to st vomit marked inept coaching ability
Throw the kitchen sink at Bolton (that's if Adelaide Carlton don't sign him which they most likely will) or some who can actually bring in some experience from another club who have a sound team structure.
I don't want Bucks sacked I want him to succeed.
But if this same mess continues in 2016 then he has to go
I said a million years ago (ok maybe a bit of a stretch there)
His greatest strength as a player could be his biggest weakness as a coach
And that's his single minded determination to follow his process no matter what
We have talent
We have a great group of mid range (30-70 games) just about to enter there best period.
We have a solid and improving back line
We have (on paper) and very very good forward line (Cloke Reid Moore Elliott, Fasalo White DeGoey etc)
What we need now is the coaching to bring it all together.
He has about 12 games next year to show he's the man |
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