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Lazza
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Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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thompsoc
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Hope it is only one year but it will probably be 2.
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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| 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine.
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Stupied
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| Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
Neither Cousins or Krak used PEDs to cheat. I don't want either of them at the club, and frankly I don't see a spot in the side for either of them anyway. They would both be depth at best. |
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RudeBoy
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| Stupied wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
Neither Cousins or Krak used PEDs to cheat. I don't want either of them at the club, and frankly I don't see a spot in the side for either of them anyway. They would both be depth at best. |
No-one has even suggested that Keeffe and Thomas used PEDs to cheat. It seems like they had a party drug, something lots of AFL players, including other current Collingwood players, do from time to time, and this contained some PED substance. I think a few people need to get off their moral high horse and wake up to the fact that recreational drug use is rampant in our society, especially amongst 18-25 yr olds, and that this includes athletes. |
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David 
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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| Stupied wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
Neither Cousins or Krak used PEDs to cheat. I don't want either of them at the club, and frankly I don't see a spot in the side for either of them anyway. They would both be depth at best. |
I'd rather see evidence that they deliberately took PEDs before hanging them out to dry.
But even in the unlikely event that they did, Richmond took Justin Charles back after he'd served his time for deliberate steroid use. Obviously a club has to weigh up the pros and cons of taking players back after a long lay-off, but I'd rather the decision be made on the basis of football team needs than holier-than-thou posturing.
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yin-YANG
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| Stupied wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
Neither Cousins or Krak used PEDs to cheat. I don't want either of them at the club, and frankly I don't see a spot in the side for either of them anyway. They would both be depth at best. |
Face plant post…
The guys were stupid but there is no evidence of deliberate cheating…
They have already had one year out so best scenario would be back next year but more likely they will only return for 2017.
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"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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| Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
I would certainly take them back if there was a true upside for the club. At the end of the day the winning of Premierships is and should be high on the agenda (but not an any cost) . I do not believe that they knowingly took Peds but at the same time I feel it a betrayal of the players that on one hand the club invests money, expertise, time and effort in getting their fitness. skills and experience to the highest possible level and then on the other hand to see them put their physical and mental health at risk for a drug high.
Being paid as a professional sportsman does have strings attached. |
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Stupied
Joined: 14 Mar 2013
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| yin-YANG wrote: | | Stupied wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
Neither Cousins or Krak used PEDs to cheat. I don't want either of them at the club, and frankly I don't see a spot in the side for either of them anyway. They would both be depth at best. |
Face plant post…
The guys were stupid but there is no evidence of deliberate cheating…
They have already had one year out so best scenario would be back next year but more likely they will only return for 2017. |
As yet there is no evidence the contrary either, just some hyperbole from desperate supporters hoping that they took an illicit drug laced with a PED, which frankly, isn't much better.
There is literally no reason to keep them at the club if they're found guilty. Neither will be best 22 players heading in to 2016, and if they cop 2 year bans, which is likely, they'll be fighting an uphill battle to be considered on any list in the AFL.
I'd much rather cut them loose and bring in some fresh faces. I'm all for the club supporting them outside of football, but frankly, have no desire to see them back in black and white again. They knew the risks of what they were doing in both scenarios of taking PEDs or illicit drugs, no sympathy from me there, as cold as it might sound. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Stupied wrote: | | no sympathy from me there, as cold as it might sound. |
Yeah I suppose when you are that high up on your horse, it must get very cold for you.. 
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Stupied
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| Lazza wrote: | | Stupied wrote: | | no sympathy from me there, as cold as it might sound. |
Yeah I suppose when you are that high up on your horse, it must get very cold for you.. |
If holding players to the same standard as I hold myself is getting on my high horse, so be it. If you're willing to condone the usage of illegal or banned substances by using the bullshit 'we all make mistakes' excuse, then that's your prerogative. |
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MagpieMad
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Joined: 15 Jan 2001
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| Lazza wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | 2 years out of Football is a long time. As far as I am concerned if they are guilty they have to go or we are the biggest hypocrites of all time. |
Not too sure how looking after players who have made an error of judgement or stuffed up can be considered as hypocritical mate. Richmond gave Cousins a chance, we gave Kracks a chance and there are many other examples. We all make mistakes in life, ever since the last perfect person was hung on a cross. Giving someone a second chance is NOT hypocritical, in fact it can be considered to be great practice in many fields.
I fully support the club giving them another chance to shine. |
Cousins never tested positive to anything, Krakouer served his time for his crime. hardly the same as testing positive for PEDs and costing us two players for a season so far.
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John Wren 
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nothing new to add?
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Dangles
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"The pair, for instance, could be handed a one-year ban that was significantly back-dated, meaning they could resume in time for next season"
That'd be the best case scenario. But if they get two years meaning that we'd have to carry them through next year on the rookie list and maybe some of the way through 2017 then I reckon we'd have to cut them loose. But I guess the club would have to consider how the rest of the playing group feels about it too. |
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