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Big T
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Our strategy since 2011 has been trading out players for first round picks. And I.think it's an excellent strategy. But looking back.at the choices, one has to wonder how Hine has performed in 2012 and 2013:
Grundy - think he's a cracker but some concerns
Kennedy - looks a failed pick
Broomhead - injured all the time, talent obvious
Scharenberg - disappointing and by all accounts wants out
Freeman - more delicate than the Australian cricket team middle order
We are at risk of 1/5 here and this would be a disaster.
How safe is Hine?
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Dave The Man 
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What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent
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Big T
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| Dave The Man wrote: | What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent |
Agree Dave 2014 is successful. But take that as an example. The 2014 crop is already more promising than the five from the two previous years. That's dismal.
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Dave The Man
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| Big T wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent |
Agree Dave 2014 is successful. But take that as an example. The 2014 crop is already more promising than the five from the two previous years. That's dismal. |
Freeman was just plain Bad Luck.
I am not calling anything for sure yet from those Drafts Yet
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dalyc
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Take a look at the 2012 draft and tell me what players after 20 (our last first round pick) you would have taken. I don't know the other clubs that well but I don't see anybody where I'd say "if only we'd taken so and so".
In 2013, Cripps and McCarthy maybe. Shaz and Freeman I haven't given up on. Very tough run with injuries and with some luck these two could still be A graders.
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prawnstar 
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | Big T wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent |
Agree Dave 2014 is successful. But take that as an example. The 2014 crop is already more promising than the five from the two previous years. That's dismal. |
Freeman was just plain Bad Luck.
I am not calling anything for sure yet from those Drafts Yet |
The best way to tell is to compare those players against who we could have got. And there's no real standouts at this stage.
Nothing in 2012 and maybe Aish and Cripps in 2013 and we could end up with the former anyhow.
Too early to tell.
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Dave The Man
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| prawnstar wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Big T wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent |
Agree Dave 2014 is successful. But take that as an example. The 2014 crop is already more promising than the five from the two previous years. That's dismal. |
Freeman was just plain Bad Luck.
I am not calling anything for sure yet from those Drafts Yet |
The best way to tell is to compare those players against who we could have got. And there's no real standouts at this stage.
Nothing in 2012 and maybe Aish and Cripps in 2013 and we could end up with the former anyhow.
Too early to tell. |
Can’t really judge a Draft Properly until 5 years late at the Earliest
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thompsoc
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | prawnstar wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Big T wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent |
Agree Dave 2014 is successful. But take that as an example. The 2014 crop is already more promising than the five from the two previous years. That's dismal. |
Freeman was just plain Bad Luck.
I am not calling anything for sure yet from those Drafts Yet |
The best way to tell is to compare those players against who we could have got. And there's no real standouts at this stage.
Nothing in 2012 and maybe Aish and Cripps in 2013 and we could end up with the former anyhow.
Too early to tell. |
Can’t really judge a Draft Properly until 5 years late at the Earliest |
Dave how many players get delisted 2, 3 or 4 years later?
I mean the average footballer lasts 5 years. So clearly what you say is just plain wrong.
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hermie
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| kennedy is great at vfl level maybe needs more time and broomhead has had broken bits can't do much about that
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| thompsoc wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | prawnstar wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Big T wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | What I heard about Berg is that Contract Talks started this week.
De Goey looks Good and Moore looks like a very Special Talent |
Agree Dave 2014 is successful. But take that as an example. The 2014 crop is already more promising than the five from the two previous years. That's dismal. |
Freeman was just plain Bad Luck.
I am not calling anything for sure yet from those Drafts Yet |
The best way to tell is to compare those players against who we could have got. And there's no real standouts at this stage.
Nothing in 2012 and maybe Aish and Cripps in 2013 and we could end up with the former anyhow.
Too early to tell. |
Can’t really judge a Draft Properly until 5 years late at the Earliest |
Dave how many players get delisted 2, 3 or 4 years later?
I mean the average footballer lasts 5 years. So clearly what you say is just plain wrong. |
Not it’s not. THen we know after 5 Years who is going to make it or not
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thompsoc
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Dave some players such as big guys might take 5 years but the vast majority don't take that long.
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Jezza 
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| Post subject: Re: First round pick review | |
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| Big T wrote: | Our strategy since 2011 has been trading out players for first round picks. And I.think it's an excellent strategy. But looking back.at the choices, one has to wonder how Hine has performed in 2012 and 2013:
Grundy - think he's a cracker but some concerns
Kennedy - looks a failed pick
Broomhead - injured all the time, talent obvious
Scharenberg - disappointing and by all accounts wants out
Freeman - more delicate than the Australian cricket team middle order
We are at risk of 1/5 here and this would be a disaster.
How safe is Hine? |
I essentially agree with Dave that it takes about five years to give a good and proper judgment on whether these players are successes or not. Some may not even be here by the time five years arises since they were drafted but it'll be interesting to see how it transpires.
Grundy - There are some concerns I agree and I think he's bit lost in how to use the ball effectively but for a guy his size he has all the tools to be a great ruckman! Rucks take a long time to develop so we need to be patient here.
Kennedy - Is Kennedy going to be one of those players that dominates the VFL but can't seem to step it up at AFL level. I've heard suggestions that he might even be delisted at the end of the year but I think he's really struggled to be honest. Obviously the coaching staff haven't been impressed with him if they're not selecting him regularly.
Broomhead - He's currently injured but I think he has more upside than Kennedy to be honest. He almost reminds me of Sidebottom somewhat but I think he has the tools to be a reliable and serviceable player for us week in week out when he continues to develop into a better player.
Scharenberg - From what I can gather, I think Scharenberg is the one most highly rated amongst the 2012/2013 class amongst recruiters and those within the club but he's been hindered by serious foot issues and later a knee injury he sustained at this point last year. I hope he doesn't go but I would be disappointed to see him exit now as I think he needs to regain his confidence to get back to the pre-drafting levels that recruiters were raving about before he was drafted.
Freeman - He's another player hindered by injuries but I hope he can get his fitness right in the off-season and really hit the ground running in 2016. Two whole seasons without Freeman has been a massive killer for us. He has the speed and dash that we need but I remember many saying his kicking wasn't great though but we'll see whether that's true or not after a strong patch of games at either senior or reserves level.
It could be 0/5 or 5/5 for that matter but I think we've done reasonably well if a minimum of 3 are successful amongst these group of players. Also if Scharenberg does leave we'll most likely take Aish anyway who was one pick below Scharenberg in the 2013 draft.
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Dave The Man
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| thompsoc wrote: | | Dave some players such as big guys might take 5 years but the vast majority don't take that long. |
True some Big Guys can take longer then 5 years but you have lot better idea then. Then IF you was going on it at Draft Night or 2 seasons in
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jackcass 
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| Think it's 5 years before you start to see good consistent footy from draftees. Particularly once you get out beyond the top 10 picks. Periods of prolonged injury issues obviously compound that. So that makes the 2011 drafts and beyond still less certain.
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