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RudeBoy
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| Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | Kennedy has zero value. Will be delisted rather than traded. Seedsman's currency is possibly a third rounder at absolute best. Scharenberg would not get us a first rounder as he has only played two games. And to even place Karnezis as a possible trade name. Turn it up. Will be delisted. |
Sadly you're probably right on most scores there Mr B, though given that Scharenberg was such an early first round draft pick, with huge raps on him from most experts, and the fact that he now appears to be over his injuries, I still think he's worth a first round pick. He's ready to step straight into a senior side, unlike most draft picks who often need a year or two in the ressies before they are ready for the seniors. |
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swoop42 
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Scharenberg will easily fetch a first rounder between 10 to 15.
In a shallow draft don't discount a late 2nd or mid 3rd round for Kennedy or Seedsman.
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Dave The Man 
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| swoop42 wrote: | Scharenberg will easily fetch a first rounder between 10 to 15.
In a shallow draft don't discount a late 2nd or mid 3rd round for Kennedy or Seedsman. |
BK is worth more then a 3rd Rounder
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inxs88
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| Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | Kennedy has zero value. Will be delisted rather than traded. Seedsman's currency is possibly a third rounder at absolute best. Scharenberg would not get us a first rounder as he has only played two games. And to even place Karnezis as a possible trade name. Turn it up. Will be delisted. |
Off the charts with these comments:
* Kennedy is contracted and still has gravitas in the market place
* Seedsman has "alleged" traits such as kicking, height and speed that somebody would stump up a second rounder for him
* Scharenberg would command a first rounder from SA
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Mr Burns 17
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| The only way any club would offer a first rounder for Scharenberg on his two game career, is if there was a sweetener. And with Kennedy, can someone name me five good games he has played (I know one against Gold Coast)? I know he is sub a lot. Cannot run out a full game obviously. Unfortunately we rate our players higher than anyone else, which is understandable and DTM I respect your opinion as you watch a lot of footy, but Ben wont be in demand and definitely not third round. |
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thompsoc
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| Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | Kennedy has zero value. Will be delisted rather than traded. Seedsman's currency is possibly a third rounder at absolute best. Scharenberg would not get us a first rounder as he has only played two games. And to even place Karnezis as a possible trade name. Turn it up. Will be delisted. |
I've watched kennedy enough in the VFL to know that he has value.
Seedsman has run and carry which is highly sort after, but I don't think he gets on with Bucks.
The Berg will easily command a first round pick... they would be lining up for him.
PK hasn't got much value but I think he can still make it.
But it is all just opinions ... so who knows.
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thompsoc
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| Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | The only way any club would offer a first rounder for Scharenberg on his two game career, is if there was a sweetener. And with Kennedy, can someone name me five good games he has played (I know one against Gold Coast)? I know he is sub a lot. Cannot run out a full game obviously. Unfortunately we rate our players higher than anyone else, which is understandable and DTM I respect your opinion as you watch a lot of footy, but Ben wont be in demand and definitely not third round. |
Kennedy is a real hardnut, he is a tackling machine in the VFL.
He gets the ball every few minutes.
The problem with Kennedy is his kicking but I did see see 2 long goals on the weekend which warmed my heart as I was thinking he couldn't make 35 metres anymore.
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | The only way any club would offer a first rounder for Scharenberg on his two game career, is if there was a sweetener. And with Kennedy, can someone name me five good games he has played (I know one against Gold Coast)? I know he is sub a lot. Cannot run out a full game obviously. Unfortunately we rate our players higher than anyone else, which is understandable and DTM I respect your opinion as you watch a lot of footy, but Ben wont be in demand and definitely not third round. |
I don't get this. We appropriately rate our players because we actually know something about them. We watch their VFL development, we monitor their progress, we make informed decisions about their prospects. If anything we under rate opposition players but predominantly it's done in ignorance rather than any pro-Collingwood approach.
Anyone who has watched BK play VFL realises he'll be more than handy at senior level if/when he can bring that level of performance. Some players do it in their first year, some take longer. Add the kids injury issues and I remain very confident he's a keeper so an early 2nd round pick isn't unrealistic. Ditto Shaz. He's shown steady progress this season and that combined with his injury history and his pre-draft profile would attract a late 1st round at the very least. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| jackcass wrote: | | Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | The only way any club would offer a first rounder for Scharenberg on his two game career, is if there was a sweetener. And with Kennedy, can someone name me five good games he has played (I know one against Gold Coast)? I know he is sub a lot. Cannot run out a full game obviously. Unfortunately we rate our players higher than anyone else, which is understandable and DTM I respect your opinion as you watch a lot of footy, but Ben wont be in demand and definitely not third round. |
I don't get this. We appropriately rate our players because we actually know something about them. We watch their VFL development, we monitor their progress, we make informed decisions about their prospects. If anything we under rate opposition players but predominantly it's done in ignorance rather than any pro-Collingwood approach.
Anyone who has watched BK play VFL realises he'll be more than handy at senior level if/when he can bring that level of performance. Some players do it in their first year, some take longer. Add the kids injury issues and I remain very confident he's a keeper so an early 2nd round pick isn't unrealistic. |
If we truly rated him as an early 2nd round draft pick, then surely we'd be keeping him on our list. If we decide to trade him it's because we don't rate him. |
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inxs88
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| jackcass wrote: | | Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | The only way any club would offer a first rounder for Scharenberg on his two game career, is if there was a sweetener. And with Kennedy, can someone name me five good games he has played (I know one against Gold Coast)? I know he is sub a lot. Cannot run out a full game obviously. Unfortunately we rate our players higher than anyone else, which is understandable and DTM I respect your opinion as you watch a lot of footy, but Ben wont be in demand and definitely not third round. |
I don't get this. We appropriately rate our players because we actually know something about them. We watch their VFL development, we monitor their progress, we make informed decisions about their prospects. If anything we under rate opposition players but predominantly it's done in ignorance rather than any pro-Collingwood approach.
100% agree Jackcass!!
Anyone who has watched BK play VFL realises he'll be more than handy at senior level if/when he can bring that level of performance. Some players do it in their first year, some take longer. Add the kids injury issues and I remain very confident he's a keeper so an early 2nd round pick isn't unrealistic. Ditto Shaz. He's shown steady progress this season and that combined with his injury history and his pre-draft profile would attract a late 1st round at the very least. |
100% agree Jackcass
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jackcass
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Mr Burns 17 wrote: | | The only way any club would offer a first rounder for Scharenberg on his two game career, is if there was a sweetener. And with Kennedy, can someone name me five good games he has played (I know one against Gold Coast)? I know he is sub a lot. Cannot run out a full game obviously. Unfortunately we rate our players higher than anyone else, which is understandable and DTM I respect your opinion as you watch a lot of footy, but Ben wont be in demand and definitely not third round. |
I don't get this. We appropriately rate our players because we actually know something about them. We watch their VFL development, we monitor their progress, we make informed decisions about their prospects. If anything we under rate opposition players but predominantly it's done in ignorance rather than any pro-Collingwood approach.
Anyone who has watched BK play VFL realises he'll be more than handy at senior level if/when he can bring that level of performance. Some players do it in their first year, some take longer. Add the kids injury issues and I remain very confident he's a keeper so an early 2nd round pick isn't unrealistic. |
If we truly rated him as an early 2nd round draft pick, then surely we'd be keeping him on our list. If we decide to trade him it's because we don't rate him. |
Yep, don't think BK will be going anywhere. |
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HAL
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| I often wonder if run out a full game can. |
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roar
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Would Sidey carry enough currency for a top 10 pick.
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neil 
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| roar wrote: | | Would Sidey carry enough currency for a top 10 pick. |
Get more for Pendlebury and as likely to happen
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roar
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That didn't answer my question.
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