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HAL
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| kickit2me wrote: | [quote="HAL"]I am chatting with several other people at once.[/quote]
Any titties on display? |
What were we talking about again? |
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matrix10
Joined: 17 May 2009
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Witts was Ok today- Grundy ordinary- Gawn played out of his skin- having been in the 2's last week (i think)
Remember they are 21 (Grundy) and 22 (witts) respectively.
In 2 years they will be unstoppable. |
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Albert Parker
Joined: 13 Dec 2012
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Yes, we are sacrificing wins for development.
These two should be OK in time, although I am not sure that playing them together will work unless we get some leg speed to complement it.
Looked very slow today with Adams, Greenwood, Pendles, Crisp, Sidebottom, Swan, Crisp as our midfielders.
Throw in Scharanberg, Maynard, Brown etc and the team looked pretty slow for pace and then lacked fluidity of movement with the ball to compound it.
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matrix10
Joined: 17 May 2009
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good points- especially developing them both in same team.
Not sure if i'm right- but have we won a game since they've both played in the same team this year?? |
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | No. Its Bloody Bucks playing the 2 rucks.
We play both and we are Shit.
Bucks has not learned this easy lesson yet |
dave, where else are we going to develop the two rucks? certainly not going to run bith of them in the vfl and let cox take the afl mantle. the two rucks is not about this year. max gawn has taken years to get to his supposed career best form. same with stefan martin. we have to persist with this set up. |
So we Sacrifice Wins for Development then?
Gawn is having a Career Season. |
yes dave. i'd say we do to some extent. get the processes right and the outcomes take care of themselves.
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| stui magpie wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | No. Its Bloody Bucks playing the 2 rucks.
We play both and we are Shit.
Bucks has not learned this easy lesson yet |
dave, where else are we going to develop the two rucks? certainly not going to run bith of them in the vfl and let cox take the afl mantle. the two rucks is not about this year. max gawn has taken years to get to his supposed career best form. same with stefan martin. we have to persist with this set up. |
You'd think that was a captain obvious, but obviously not.
So +1 |
Strange isn't it. Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp.
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| John Wren wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | No. Its Bloody Bucks playing the 2 rucks.
We play both and we are Shit.
Bucks has not learned this easy lesson yet |
dave, where else are we going to develop the two rucks? certainly not going to run bith of them in the vfl and let cox take the afl mantle. the two rucks is not about this year. max gawn has taken years to get to his supposed career best form. same with stefan martin. we have to persist with this set up. |
So we Sacrifice Wins for Development then?
Gawn is having a Career Season. |
yes dave. i'd say we do to some extent. get the processes right and the outcomes take care of themselves. |
No different than playing Moore Dave, got to be prepared to wear the cost. |
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neil 
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Location: Queensland
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| jackcass wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | No. Its Bloody Bucks playing the 2 rucks.
We play both and we are Shit.
Bucks has not learned this easy lesson yet |
dave, where else are we going to develop the two rucks? certainly not going to run bith of them in the vfl and let cox take the afl mantle. the two rucks is not about this year. max gawn has taken years to get to his supposed career best form. same with stefan martin. we have to persist with this set up. |
You'd think that was a captain obvious, but obviously not.
So +1 |
Strange isn't it. Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp.
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+3 We play lots of kids to develop them Moore is the most recent
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yin-YANG
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You don't want to over do it though. Too many kids ends up with too many losses - that doesn't teach them anything except how to lose. Dees made that mistake years ago with a lot of top end draft picks. Lots of talent was wasted without the right experienced players around them.
Both Grundy and Witts need time in the VFL now and then up forward. Develop your marking, and forward game… if they are ever going to play together it is clearly needed. The top backs in the AFL are too good for either of them better off playing one for now and let dmm take turns.
They gave it go but the reality is they need White back as the chop out ruck man and either Witts or Grundy to be the main man. Take turns is fine by me.
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| yin-YANG wrote: | You don't want to over do it though. Too many kids ends up with too many losses - that doesn't teach them anything except how to lose. Dees made that mistake years ago with a lot of top end draft picks. Lots of talent was wasted without the right experienced players around them.
Both Grundy and Witts need time in the VFL now and then up forward. Develop your marking, and forward game… if they are ever going to play together it is clearly needed. The top backs in the AFL are too good for either of them better off playing one for now and let dmm take turns.
They gave it go but the reality is they need White back as the chop out ruck man and either Witts or Grundy to be the main man. Take turns is fine by me. |
Agree, in an ideal world you'd be able to limit the number of <50 gamers to 4-5 at any one time thus ensuring they get the appropriate support from more senior players. Alas we only had 19 50+ gamers on our list at the start of the season and of them Reid, Young, Macaffer haven't played at all and Sidebottom, Greenwood, Cloke have all missed games.
Posters lament selection decisions but the reality is that these decisions generally require replacement of either a senior player due to injury or a kid due to form and replacing them with yet another inexperienced kid. Losing a player like White due to form issues only compounds the situation.
The only way to improve the situation is to get experience into the kids but that clearly comes at a price in terms of competitiveness. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| We won't be a truly top side until we have a winning ruckman who both wins hitouts and takes marks around the ground. Right now neither Grundy or Witts do either all that well. In 2-3 yrs time they may well both be the dominant ruckmen in the competition, but at this point in time, playing them both each week, is hurting us. I don't think we can afford to play with such a liability for another 2-3 years, waiting for them to both become good ruckmen. I'd prefer to rotate them each between the VFL and AFL. |
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Piethagoras' Theorem 
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
Joined: 29 May 2006
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Playing both is hurting us atm because neither have mastered the art of positioning themselves to take contested marks around the ground. With no Cloke, White useless, no Reid and a reliance on a 1st year player, it's one area that's killing us. No wonder our backmen are running backwards, sideways and taking unrealistic options, there just aren't any good ones. As far as actual rucking goes, I think they've been very serviceable, all things considered. Persevere imo
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MAGPIEAVENGER
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If we trade either of them. What will we do if the one we keep gets injured? No depth, no back up
. Ruckmen don't reach there peak until 25 yrs of age or there abouts. We would be extremely foolish to trade either of them right now. Let them develop over the next 2-3 seasons and then assess our options. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and be very patient.
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Domesticated_Ape
Joined: 01 Oct 2012
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| MAGPIEAVENGER wrote: | If we trade either of them. What will we do if the one we keep gets injured? No depth, no back up
. Ruckmen don't reach there peak until 25 yrs of age or there abouts. We would be extremely foolish to trade either of them right now. Let them develop over the next 2-3 seasons and then assess our options. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and be very patient. |
Remember when Carlton had Kreuzer, Warnock and Hampson?
Lots of talk about trading one out and finally they did and got a late second round pick for Hampson. Then Kreuzer gets injured, Warnock turns out to be a pea-hearted giraffe and they wallow at the bottom of the ladder playing a rookie listed Cam Wood and Levi Casboult as their starting rucks. Good times, but not something we'd be interested in trying I don't think. |
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What'sinaname 
Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free
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Bulldogs had 18 players today with less than 100 games, 12 with less than 50.
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