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Tannin 
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| schuey07 wrote: | | Goodes comments have brought this upon himself. Quoted from his article in the age, “Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have raped, killed and stolen.” |
What exact part of this statement are you pretending isn't true?
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Pies4shaw 
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| The use of the past tense, perhaps? |
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| John Wren wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | Same shit - different day.
I do not boo Goodes. I go to and watch footy as an interest and leisure activity. I want it to be a positive aspect of my life despite our teams effectiveness on the field to win games.
Goodes gets booed for a number of reasons. Some individuals are raciest to the core and others think he is just not a good bloke. I personally find Goodes's message to be divisive and I feel that he brings much of the adverse criticism upon himself. He certainly could have done things a lot better in the past. There is too much us and them in his message and I prefer to see everyone as just "US".
Now would be a good time for everybody to sit back, take a deep breath and have a good look at themselves. With a bit of luck the booing will stop, Goodes will pull his head in and be more inclusive in the future and we can all enjoy our selected sport and admire the skills of all the players including Adam Goodes.
Can't we just let it go and just enjoy the footy. |
this is how i feel. this is a difficult conversation to be a part of because if you don't blatantly state you are on goodes' side you tend to be misconstrued as being a racist. further to this, i am so tired of the footy media taking the high moral ground on this. tim watson this morning took a long held view similar to mine in that no one likes being lectured to and told what is good for them.
the logic of this whole debate has been a little baffling to me. yes, there are undercurrents of racism in our society and the attitudes of some of those who boo but the prevailing and common view is that goodes os fetting booed for other reasons. any chance the media might just accept this? |
I don't think that's the prevailing and common view, JW. I can't think of any case in footy history where one player has been booed repeatedly, week after week, by every other team's supporters. There have been some complete a$$holes play footy over the journey but none of them that I can recall ever got this treatment.
That's what clinches it for me - nothing Goodes has done is so "out there" that it warranted this sort of sustained, mean response.
Let me give you some names:
David Rhys-Jones
Vin Waite
Rodney Grinter
John Cassin
Carl Ditterich
Josh Gibson.
Make of it what you will, in my view there is only one plausible explanation. |
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Location: On a journey to seek the scriptures of enlightenment....
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I still can't believe this is so difficult to understand - when one makes grandiose statements through words and/or deeds, one has stuck their neck out and one will receive feedback, both positive and negative. White, black, brown, yellow, green, purple with pink polka dots.......
This is life.
Some will view one favourably, some will not.
One side is no more correct than the other (the favourably or otherwise "sides"), they just have different perspectives to view from.
It becomes even more polarising when one is in effect calling the country a racist place. And even more so when using an ambiguous personal insult as evidence of racism and also eventually as a platform towards a career in politics. I think a lot of people see Adam Goodes as disengenuous, rightly or wrongly.
I think that has contributed to some of the booing.
I personally think it's more disturbing to hear from ignorant halfwits in positions of privilege like Andrew Pridham lumping everyone into the category of racist, than the booing is itself.
(The above is not to say there isn't a small element of red-neck racists going their hardest, but this is a very small minority in the Melbourne and Australia we live in these days.)
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CarringbushCigar 
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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| John Wren wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | Same shit - different day.
I do not boo Goodes. I go to and watch footy as an interest and leisure activity. I want it to be a positive aspect of my life despite our teams effectiveness on the field to win games.
Goodes gets booed for a number of reasons. Some individuals are raciest to the core and others think he is just not a good bloke. I personally find Goodes's message to be divisive and I feel that he brings much of the adverse criticism upon himself. He certainly could have done things a lot better in the past. There is too much us and them in his message and I prefer to see everyone as just "US".
Now would be a good time for everybody to sit back, take a deep breath and have a good look at themselves. With a bit of luck the booing will stop, Goodes will pull his head in and be more inclusive in the future and we can all enjoy our selected sport and admire the skills of all the players including Adam Goodes.
Can't we just let it go and just enjoy the footy. |
this is how i feel. this is a difficult conversation to be a part of because if you don't blatantly state you are on goodes' side you tend to be misconstrued as being a racist. further to this, i am so tired of the footy media taking the high moral ground on this. tim watson this morning took a long held view similar to mine in that no one likes being lectured to and told what is good for them.
the logic of this whole debate has been a little baffling to me. yes, there are undercurrents of racism in our society and the attitudes of some of those who boo but the prevailing and common view is that goodes os fetting booed for other reasons. any chance the media might just accept this? |
The common view ??
Maybe thats the problem.
Name and quote some individuals who have said this has nothing to do with racism?
Anyone who thinks this has nothing to do with racism has got their head in the convenient sand. Its probably evidence that it is red-neckism.
To deny it is to lack empathy at least.
The media is reporting what AFL and community leaders are screaming at us.
It seems that there is a large percentage of our supporter base who want to hide in the pack and continue bullying an individual. Whilst crying we don't want to be lectured to. WTF? This is a chance for us to change direction and let a champion of our game retire with dignity and not in tears.
Sorry bullies - u are about to be lectured to because u haven't got the intellectual or emotional capacity to be treated any other way.
Fu*K witts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11766876/AFL-urges-racist-crowds-to-stop-booing-Aboriginal-player-Adam-Goodes.html |
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John Wren 
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Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | Same shit - different day.
I do not boo Goodes. I go to and watch footy as an interest and leisure activity. I want it to be a positive aspect of my life despite our teams effectiveness on the field to win games.
Goodes gets booed for a number of reasons. Some individuals are raciest to the core and others think he is just not a good bloke. I personally find Goodes's message to be divisive and I feel that he brings much of the adverse criticism upon himself. He certainly could have done things a lot better in the past. There is too much us and them in his message and I prefer to see everyone as just "US".
Now would be a good time for everybody to sit back, take a deep breath and have a good look at themselves. With a bit of luck the booing will stop, Goodes will pull his head in and be more inclusive in the future and we can all enjoy our selected sport and admire the skills of all the players including Adam Goodes.
Can't we just let it go and just enjoy the footy. |
this is how i feel. this is a difficult conversation to be a part of because if you don't blatantly state you are on goodes' side you tend to be misconstrued as being a racist. further to this, i am so tired of the footy media taking the high moral ground on this. tim watson this morning took a long held view similar to mine in that no one likes being lectured to and told what is good for them.
the logic of this whole debate has been a little baffling to me. yes, there are undercurrents of racism in our society and the attitudes of some of those who boo but the prevailing and common view is that goodes os fetting booed for other reasons. any chance the media might just accept this? |
I don't think that's the prevailing and common view, JW. I can't think of any case in footy history where one player has been booed repeatedly, week after week, by every other team's supporters. There have been some complete a$$holes play footy over the journey but none of them that I can recall ever got this treatment.
That's what clinches it for me - nothing Goodes has done is so "out there" that it warranted this sort of sustained, mean response.
Let me give you some names:
David Rhys-Jones
Vin Waite
Rodney Grinter
John Cassin
Carl Ditterich
Josh Gibson.
Make of it what you will, in my view there is only one plausible explanation. |
if only we could survey those doing the booing as to why they do so. being racist is the simplest conclusion to draw but it has gone past that. how much do you factor in the variable of the west coast supporter who comes across like they do - the same mob that booed jobe watson last year yet showed great respect for the phil walsh situation? the booing from the west sounds more vehement than it does at other grounds.
will be interesting to see the reaction of the crowd at the next swans away game.
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Whether Goodes is still booed or not is out of the club's hands, however the effort will be noted and I believe is very worthwhile.
As discussed there are a range of reasons Goodes is booed however some of it is racist and it is perceived as that by Goodes so that is the key thing. I just think if this issue is still around in a few weeks time - which it may well be - I hope our club comes out and publicly supports Goodes.
Although many boo him for non-racist reasons this is looking like another ugly chapter in Australia's history - it may just be 'feelings' getting hurt and seems minor compared to stealing children or segregation or genocide etc however I urge you my fellow Collingwood people to refrain.
For those who boo him because he is a diver or sook or Australian of the year or whatever - could you please just boo the umps instead - they are much better at coping with it 
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | Same shit - different day.
I do not boo Goodes. I go to and watch footy as an interest and leisure activity. I want it to be a positive aspect of my life despite our teams effectiveness on the field to win games.
Goodes gets booed for a number of reasons. Some individuals are raciest to the core and others think he is just not a good bloke. I personally find Goodes's message to be divisive and I feel that he brings much of the adverse criticism upon himself. He certainly could have done things a lot better in the past. There is too much us and them in his message and I prefer to see everyone as just "US".
Now would be a good time for everybody to sit back, take a deep breath and have a good look at themselves. With a bit of luck the booing will stop, Goodes will pull his head in and be more inclusive in the future and we can all enjoy our selected sport and admire the skills of all the players including Adam Goodes.
Can't we just let it go and just enjoy the footy. |
this is how i feel. this is a difficult conversation to be a part of because if you don't blatantly state you are on goodes' side you tend to be misconstrued as being a racist. further to this, i am so tired of the footy media taking the high moral ground on this. tim watson this morning took a long held view similar to mine in that no one likes being lectured to and told what is good for them.
the logic of this whole debate has been a little baffling to me. yes, there are undercurrents of racism in our society and the attitudes of some of those who boo but the prevailing and common view is that goodes os fetting booed for other reasons. any chance the media might just accept this? |
I don't think that's the prevailing and common view, JW. I can't think of any case in footy history where one player has been booed repeatedly, week after week, by every other team's supporters. There have been some complete a$$holes play footy over the journey but none of them that I can recall ever got this treatment.
That's what clinches it for me - nothing Goodes has done is so "out there" that it warranted this sort of sustained, mean response.
Let me give you some names:
David Rhys-Jones
Vin Waite
Rodney Grinter
John Cassin
Carl Ditterich
Josh Gibson.
Make of it what you will, in my view there is only one plausible explanation. |
I suspect the booing may have dissipated by now if it wasn't brought up in the media every couple of weeks.....
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John Wren
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| yin-YANG wrote: | Whether Goodes is still booed or not is out of the club's hands, however the effort will be noted and I believe is very worthwhile.
As discussed there are a range of reasons Goodes is booed however some of it is racist and it is perceived as that by Goodes so that is the key thing. I just think if this issue is still around in a few weeks time - which it may well be - I hope our club comes out and publicly supports Goodes.
Although many boo him for non-racist reasons this is looking like another ugly chapter in Australia's history - it may just be 'feelings' getting hurt and seems minor compared to stealing children or segregation or genocide etc however I urge you my fellow Collingwood people to refrain.
For those who boo him because he is a diver or sook or Australian of the year or whatever - could you please just boo the umps instead - they are much better at coping with it |
http://news.com.au/sport/afl/whether-its-racist-or-not-its-time-to-stop-booing-adam-goodes-this-is-why/story-fndv7pj3-1227460100965
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BazBoy
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I personally would,nt boo him because I see the boo as a useless expression
but if it happens as a a racist related reason i dont think Adam,s "war dance"
directed at the people in the crowd would have endeared him ot fans
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Lazza
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| i hate carlton wrote: | | I don't think Goodes is being booed because he is an aboriginal. It's ludicrous. |
I don’t think anyone can make such a statement without it being speculative. In fact I can quite easily speculate the other way that I'm certain that a few boo him because he is an aboriginal and that is also ludicrous. The issue is NOT that he is occasionally booed; it is that he is continuously booed over a fairly long period of time, over many weeks now. Bucks and other players were booed but I cannot ever recall anyone in my lifetime (except for the umpires) that were booed every bloody week for the entire season. Even stupid bloody bigoted numbskulls should know when to stop booing him. Obviously they don’t because such dirtbags can’t think to save themselves. 
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Lazza
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| Wokko wrote: | | Akermanis got booed, so did Buckley, Carey, Judd. Any player who moves clubs, etc. etc. Stop playing the race card and looking for things to be outraged about. If Goodes and all the other do-goodes just shut up about it then it'd fade away. |
Missing the point totally. Many players like the ones you mentioned were certainly booed but NEVER EVER for an entire bloody season. When is enough enough FFS? When does this stupidity end? Surely even a dumbarsed booer has enough stuffed up brain cells to call it quits after, say 10 bloody weeks? This is round 18 coming up and this shit is still going on! I bet you it's the dumb bloody nuffies from the Reclaim Australia mob who want to push their far right agenda at every given opportunity. Stuff 'em.
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Lazza
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | .David Rhys-Jones
Vin Waite
Rodney Grinter
John Cassin
Carl Ditterich
Josh Gibson. |
Have seen each one of the above play over the many years of following Collingwood and footy. I can add heaps more players like Ronnie Andrews, Brereton, Milne, Bucks, Dids, Jimmy O'Dea etc. I can tell you that NONE of them were booed 17 weeks running. Not a single one. The only people who might have been booed week in, week out were the bloody umpires.
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Dave The Man 
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IF he Did not Play for Free Kicks and was not always ME ME ME ME.
Then I think Fans would stop lot of the Booing
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Lazza
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| Dave The Man wrote: | IF he Did not Play for Free Kicks and was not always ME ME ME ME.
Then I think Fans would stop lot of the Booing |
It's not that simple when you involve dumb far right wingers Dave....
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