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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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AN_Inkling
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Great outcome, even if I'd prefer to see this eradicated on more than a technicality. The decision does however have the potential to impact on some more worthy areas of expenditure as well, unfortunately. _________________ Well done boys! |
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AN_Inkling
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The Australian wrote: | National School Chaplaincy Association spokesman Peter James this week said the educational benefits of the chaplaincy program were widely recognised by schools, educators and parents.
He said a recent study of school chaplaincy by the Research Centre for Vulnerable Children and Families at the University of Western Australia had shown 96 per cent of respondents including school principals and teaching staff supported the work of school chaplains and agreed they were valued as members of a student support services team. |
96%? This guy's wasting his talent, he should be over in Ukraine or Syria helping to run their votes, not even they could manage 96%. _________________ Well done boys! |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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AN_Inkling wrote: | Great outcome, even if I'd prefer to see this eradicated on more than a technicality. The decision does however have the potential to impact on some more worthy areas of expenditure as well, unfortunately. |
Agree with all of this. Unfortunately, given the nature of the decision, I'm not too optimistic about this spelling the end of school chaplaincy per se. If only we had a US-style 'separation of church and state' law to fall back upon. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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1061
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One mother started a campaign and had Access ministries removed from her child's school in Kew just this week. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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One what? |
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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The PM is still going to push for this despite the court ruling. |
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009 Location: On a journey to seek the scriptures of enlightenment....
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Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem???? _________________ "I am a great sage, equal of heaven.
Grow stick, grow.
Fly cloud, fly.
Oh you are a dee-mon, I love to fiiight." |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
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King Monkey wrote: | Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem???? |
The problem, for those who brought this travesty into being would be the lack of religious zealots. |
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pietillidie
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As long as genuine counselors who happen to also be religious or who are qualified to counsel within a religious idiom (quite a specialisation, I would point out), are not affected, this decision is obviously constitutionally essential.
But it's important here not to let the fanatical groups taint the moderate groups who understand the importance of church-state separation. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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David
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King Monkey wrote: | Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem???? |
Exactly. Well, no problem for me, but you'll have to ask Tony what he thinks about that... _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Morrigu
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So if Abbott and Co fight it can schools employ chaplains from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? _________________ βThe greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.β |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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King Monkey wrote: | Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem???? |
Bingo. Hire some people who have counselling skills and qualifications without the religious (any religion) link. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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David wrote: | AN_Inkling wrote: | Great outcome, even if I'd prefer to see this eradicated on more than a technicality. The decision does however have the potential to impact on some more worthy areas of expenditure as well, unfortunately. |
Agree with all of this. Unfortunately, given the nature of the decision, I'm not too optimistic about this spelling the end of school chaplaincy per se. If only we had a US-style 'separation of church and state' law to fall back upon. |
Yeah, not doubt they'll find a way around it.
stui magpie wrote: | King Monkey wrote: | Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem???? |
Bingo. Hire some people who have counselling skills and qualifications without the religious (any religion) link. |
It's what we had before the programme started. Since, many of the qualified counselors have been moved on and replaced by the unqualified religos.
The Labor policy on this was more sensible and gave more individual agency to the schools (ironic given this is the usual LNP mantra). They were to provide money for counselors, whether these were religious or not was up to the schools to decide. _________________ Well done boys! |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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When were they? |
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