Prison welfare advocate "get over it"

[pietillidie]

[Wokko]

Doing things for yourself IS doing things for the country.

Here's some Adam Smith again because he said it better than I could, at this rate he'll become the VPT mascot.

"As every individual, therefore, endeavours as much as he can both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce may be of the greatest value; every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. "

[pietillidie]

^But the JFK quote says "ask what you can do for your country", not "ask what you can do for yourself which then becomes something for the country of some undefined quality".

Are you saying that tonight, rather than taking the rubbish out, I should've just tossed it over the balcony. Doing so would certainly have been doing something for myself. Or, perhaps you could hire your child out to work in a foundry and make some cash. Or perhaps sell some crack or do some insider trading. That would be doing something for yourself.

Nope, neither you nor Adam Smith's simpleton Sunday School homilies are helping.

[think positive]

Yep basically, stop all the parasites who don't want to work and live off handouts, and then society can get together and help those that really need it, the sick, the old, the damaged.

[pietillidie]

[Wokko]

In what twisted world do you live in that doing things for oneself means exploiting others or being a lazy shit? Putting the rubbish out IS doing something for yourself, doing things for your own gain doesn't mean doing things to hurt someone else (as for sending your kids into factories, where the **** did that come from?). In doing things for yourself you improve society as a whole, Smith's 'Invisible Hand' or to put it another way, 'A rising tide lifts all boats'.

[pietillidie]

[think positive]

its ok wokko I get what you meant!!

the twister just likes being awkward!

[Wokko]

Considering a cornerstone of Libertarianism is the non aggression principle I suggest you do some reading before launching another arrogant, passive aggressive tirade. I'll start you off easy, here's a wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

[pietillidie]

[HAL]

What kind of people?

[Mugwump]

[think positive]

Sanity prevails

https://www.change.org/en-AU

"My name is Christine Simpson. My 9 year old daughter Ebony was walking home from her school bus when a cowardly paedophile named Andrew Garforth abducted, raped, bound her arms and legs and threw her into a dam.

The Supreme Court sentenced this monster to life in prison. That was 23 years ago – but now it's come to my attention that his status has been 'downgraded' to a medium security prisoner, getting new privileges like doing woodwork courses and get a job in prison.

Few people understand the pain of losing a child especially not in the circumstances of how we lost Ebony. As a parent, you NEVER get over it. The only solace we take is hoping that Andrew Garforth is living in a worse hell than the one he created for us. The thought that he can do courses or get a job is offensive to us as well as to the millions of Australians who expect more from our justice system.

Please sign my petition to Premier Mike Baird. He has the power to intervene and reverse this decision – to give my family some peace and ensure the justice system doesn't allow rapist, killers like Andrew Garforth insulting new privileges."





Victory
14 Jul 2015 — The Minister has listened! After incredible support from 30,000 of you in under 24 hours - the government have announced that privileges given to Ebony's killer have been revoked. I can't thank you enough for taking a stand though and signing my change.org petition. It shows people power can force the government to listen. Thank you so much for remembering my daughter.

[David]

Sanity prevails? Lol, fat chance. Manufactured outrage and populist politics won this time around.

[think positive]

Who gives a shit what did it, it's a win.

Not sure why you think it's manufactured though, the mother put her story out there, once people heard they got pissed off enough to sign a petition, what's manufactured about that? Doesn't suit your agenda?