What's warming the world

[HAL]

Far out. I'm waiting.

[Tannin]

[stui magpie]

[Tannin]

I already said that, Einstein.

The point is, this is - even if not bullshit - irrelevant to anything that matters.

Now I've led you by the hand and provided you with dates and details, demonstrated conclusively that the effect (if any) is inconsequential insofar as it was wholly contained within a timeframe where nothing of particular relevance happened in most of the world, and certainly not here. What else can I do? Zip you up and shake it? *

(* Possibly not in that order.)

[stui magpie]

Look, thanks for the offer but i wouldn't want you to strain anything.

[pietillidie]

Checking today, Tannin is right that this is yet another oldie long dealt with:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/what-if-the-sun-went-into-a-new-grand-minimum/

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/aug/14/global-warming-solar-minimum-barely-dent

http://www.readfearn.com/2015/06/the-australian-misreports-study-on-influence-of-sun-on-global-warming/

https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/

But what bothers me most is the complete lack of grasp of the problem: Climate concerns us because we are now aware enough and wealthy enough to not let the elements end our one shot at life prematurely. That is a very rational endeavour, not a bleeding conspiracy.

The potential for fluctuation and uncertainty due to the complexity of the system only increases the need for risk management. In this case, climatological and ecological risk management, and a stack of geopolitical, demographic and economic factors, scream for us to end the freaking fossil fuels age ASAP and to bring on renewables.

At the same time, the twists and turns of climate science are science at its best. It has never ever been otherwise, it's just that we've never followed the formation of scientific knowledge live like this. As emphasised elsewhere, knowledge is not digital (i.e., a clear yes or a clear no), except in the most intuitive, stable senses (and I even doubt that, but I am assuming conventional boundaries here).

Everyone knows good strategy, management and leadership are not digital, either. Everyone knows these things are about dealing with uncertainties, not denying and avoiding them.

Overall, this has been a shameful and horrific neoliberal detour, much like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In a similar manner, so many layers of purposeful misunderstanding have been generated:

• In defense of a filthy industry we need rid of anyhow;
  
• Through the idiotic heuristic that you need perfect information to make wise judgements;
  
• Due to dumb binary politics and a lack of party-independent thought;
  
• Due to ill-directed outsider oppression psychiatry (yes, fighting the evil enemy or "the system" motivates me, too, but good judgement is all about picking the right enemy; you have to target the indignation to productive ends, as Keating has said)

You just have to shake your head at the complete stupidity and waste of the entire denial process from start to finish.

And, as with the Iraq obsession, the denial obsession is not "conservative" by any known definition; it is rash, emotional, ill-disciplined, poorly thought through and negligent. It will rightly go down as yet more reactionary extremism and/or good old lies for cash from the very same era of folly.

[Tannin]

^ Very good post PTID.

Well, most of it was very good. There was a bit near the start where it actually wasn't very good, it was brilliant!. I score it 11 out of 10 for the three short, concise, perfectly chosen words immediately after "checking today".

[HAL]

What happened?

[Tannin]

Watch the flat-earth crowd go running for cover as yet another of their unscientific memes comes crashing down in tatters.

[watt price tully]

[stui magpie]

Lot of effort there to prove a point that nobody disputed. Well done.

[Tannin]

Well, nobody except you. For practical purposes, that's close enough.

Well, except you and countless clueless media nasties such as Bolt and the usual right-wing tabloid nutters and shock jocks and the entire staff of the Liberal Party/IPA newsletter, sorry, I mean The Australian.

Hmmm ... Still nobody worth mentioning. I stand corrected.


(As a matter of detail, and of full and frank disclosure sufficient to bar me forever from aspiring to high office such as, just to pick an example completely at random, becoming the Speaker of the House of Representatives, I had misremembered Wokko disputing it repeatedly, cheered on here and there by you. There was another thread, one of TBFs no doubt, running at about the same time, which I presumably conflated with this one.)

[Tannin]

Very few of us indeed, HAL.

[stui magpie]

LOL, dementia is kicking in.

I never said at any time that this would reverse climate change, I even went as far as saying i had no idea if the data was accurate. You spent most of the next posts arguing with your own perception of what you thought I'd posted rather than what i actually said.

All good though, we couldn't have you in high office anyway, you're entirely too honest.

[Tannin]