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HAL
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David 
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| pietillidie wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Not sure how accurate it is to say Obama saved Detroit considering Michigan just voted for Trump (against nearly all predictions). Not a resounding vote of confidence in the way things are going there right now? |
Well, stop measuring the shadows seven years later and go and find out the facts directly!
Of course he saved Detroit; Chrysler and GM were on the edge of folding! I was bed-ridden for a month at the time and watched it unfold on Bloomberg!
But, as explained to Stui, he couldn't save auto jobs from automation; doing that would never ever have gotten them back in the game. On the contrary, turning Detroit into an auto tech centre saved them but also hastened job automation, going back to my original dispute with Stui.
Of course, bumbling Trump supporters were against the Detroit bailout because Obama did it. If Trump suggested today, they'd be fist pumping, even if it cost a gazillion and sent the auto industry broke again. |
Are you suggesting I'm being lazy? Because, er, guilty as charged your honour. 
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^I did lol at that!
Lola: Has the kettle boiled?
David: I don't think so. The maidenhair fern still looks limp, and they're usually sensitive to changes in room humidity!
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stui magpie 
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| pietillidie wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Not sure how accurate it is to say Obama saved Detroit considering Michigan just voted for Trump (against nearly all predictions). Not a resounding vote of confidence in the way things are going there right now? |
Well, stop measuring the shadows seven years later and go and find out the facts directly!
Of course he saved Detroit; Chrysler and GM were on the edge of folding! I was bed-ridden for a month at the time and watched it unfold on Bloomberg!
But, as explained to Stui, he couldn't save auto jobs from automation; doing that would never ever have gotten them back in the game. On the contrary, turning Detroit into an auto tech centre saved them but also hastened job automation, going back to my original dispute with Stui.
Of course, bumbling Trump supporters were against the Detroit bailout because Obama did it. If Trump suggested today, they'd be fist pumping, even if it cost a gazillion and sent the auto industry broke again. |
You're trying to argue something that I'm not arguing about.
These jobs went and because there were no viable options created, people lost jobs and are pissed off.
It was an observation. I never suggested that reverting to protectionism was a good idea, it is however what helped Trump win.
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pietillidie
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^Fair enough. I guess my old defensive habits made more of that than necessary. I certainly agree with you on that.
The hardest thing about Trump is having put so much research and thought into that very employment problem, to no avail. Grr.
Whiskey time, methinks
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| Look, it's really lucky that only white people have lost jobs in the US in the last 40 years, otherwise there'd be a prospect of a blacklash. Happily, the land of the free guarantees full, high-paid employment to members of every "minority". There are even non-white quarterbacks playing in the NFL, taking the jobs of smart, white College graduates. Whites losing out in the US is the only problem they have and it is, of course, right and proper for their media to focus on it. |
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watt price tully 
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| Skids wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Skids wrote: | Waleed is the biggest bigot if all.
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Have you been going to the same English classes as Barry?
Please explain how Waleed is a bigot or indeed the biggest bigot of all (citing actual examples).
Being a plumber do you mean spigot 
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Oh please... you just have to listen to the whinning weasel to see that he doesn't tolerate anyone elses opinion.
He's the reason the projects ratings are falling as fast as a democrats bottom lip. |
So no evidence then to support your accusations about Waleed Aly being a bigot & the biggest one of all?
Maybe you are closer to information in WA than most of us:
The City of Fremantle is warning police about hoax fliers which appear to have been distributed ahead of broadcaster and Fairfax columnist Waleed Aly's appearance at the Fremantle Festival on Saturday.
Fremantle Mayor Brad Pettit told WAtoday he had seen an electronic version of the flier which labels Aly a "child molester".
http://www.theage.com.au/wa-news/fremantle-council-warns-police-about-waleed-aly-hate-mail-20161029-gsdrzl.html
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Trump's campaign enabled so many of these fine specimens:
"....Following Donald Trump's presidential election, Pamela Ramsey Taylor, who was director of Clay County Development Corp. in Clay, a tiny town outside Charleston, reportedly posted about the move from Michelle Obama to Melania Trump on Facebook, saying, "It will be so refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified First Lady back in the White House. I'm tired of seeing a Ape in heels," according to NBC affiliate WSAZ".....
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/ape-in-heels-officials-under-fire-after-racist-comments-about-michelle-obama-20161115-gspyyx.html[/i]
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stui magpie
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I saw that a day or so ago.
Michelle Obama apelike? Really?
Blaming Trump for these imbeciles behavior is a long bow though
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Show me where Clinton's campaign enabled that? So not a reversal at all - further looks ripe for photo shopping / editing doesn't it?
A bit too convenient by half. I smell a rat. In fact the photo can obviously be manipulated but the Facebook entries aren't here.
Fact vs a non fact. No comparison.
Next.
If it is true which we don't know then it is to be condemned in the strongest possible terms.
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It goes without saying that there are less than pleasant people on the extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum, and they would probably exist regardless. The trouble is that one of them is about to be in the White House.
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | It goes without saying that there are less than pleasant people on the extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum, and they would probably exist regardless. The trouble is that one of them is about to be in the White House. |
And another one missed out.
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stui magpie
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| pietillidie wrote: | ^Fair enough. I guess my old defensive habits made more of that than necessary. I certainly agree with you on that.
The hardest thing about Trump is having put so much research and thought into that very employment problem, to no avail. Grr.
Whiskey time, methinks |
LOL, no problems.
Globalisation and technology have obvious consequences for jobs, responsible governments need to have a plan.
The coal plant in the latrobe valley is to close. What's the plan for all the people out there who rely on it for income, directly or indirectly? If there is one, I haven't seen it.
The reason I referred to "office jobs" is, despite being an office worker myself I know that it's not everyone's cup of tea, regardless of the actual employment.
For mine, apart from the knowledge worker roles, the growth opportunity for jobs is in services.
Australia is growing older, the middle class (much as I hate that term) are time poor and cashed up (to a degree) and there are opportunities like low hanging fruit.
Aged Care is a growth industry.
Home handymen, home maintenance will be the next. There's already a plethora of variations with the bloke with the beard, Jim's mowing, Jim's dogwash, Jim's escort agency etc. There's also a growing number of places making healthy meals that all you have to do is reheat.
We have a generation coming through who wouldn't know how to change a tap washer, hang a door or use a power tool to save their lives despite lifestyle channels and youtube.
I toyed with the idea of buying a "Hire a hubby" franchise nearly 10 years ago. I'm glad I decided not to but it's a concept that will have a growing footprint.
How you coordinate that I have no idea. Protectionism isn't the solution but sometimes like outsourcing and insourcing you need to breath in and out depending on the situation.
There's a great mass of people out there who are in danger of being left behind unless there's a concerted effort to support the creation of jobs and specifically jobs that don't require an academic inclination.
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Skids 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | | It goes without saying that there are less than pleasant people on the extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum, and they would probably exist regardless. The trouble is that one of them is about to be in the White House. |
And another one missed out. |
Exactly!
move on... let's see what happens. My money is on good times and hey, I'm up a bit more than some of the other punters one here
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