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stui magpie 
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Not to me you won't. 
WPT misses the point because he's acting exactly as outlined.
I'm not defending Trump, I'm observing the reactions to what he says and how it plays out perfectly to script. 
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Pies4shaw 
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| So, Hilary and Obama founded Isis. You do learn new things every day. |
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Jezza 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | So, Hilary and Obama founded Isis. You do learn new things every day. |
Idiotic statement by Trump. It's not hard to find online from reliable publications that the group as we know it today was founded by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in approximately 1999 (pre-Iraq invasion), although the group's rise coincides with the invasion.
Although, Trump could have easily stated that the timing of the US' decision to withdraw from Iraq under the Obama administration coincided with ISIS' re-emergence along with the Syrian Civil War that started in 2011 after the group was largely decimated in the late 2000s.
Plus he could have mentioned or at the very least hinted at the US' close alliance with the likes of Saudi Arabia and Turkey that may have also contributed to the rise of the group and backing the so-called 'moderate' forces in Syria where the mis-direction of arms has occurred and some members of these groups have defected to more hardline Sunni-jihadist groups in the process.
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| All of which would, if true, indicate possible failure of international-relations strategies intended to limit the spread of terrorism, not a deliberate strategy to encourage it. |
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Jezza
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | All of which would, if true, indicate possible failure of international-relations strategies intended to limit the spread of terrorism, not a deliberate strategy to encourage it. |
Yes, precisely.
Although, the conspiracy theories that ISIS was a CIA or Mossad creation won't go away either though.
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Wokko 
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Jezza
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Good to see.
Clinton's getting a free ride at the moment due to Trump's loose cannon behaviour.
I'm also looking forward to more leaks from Assange and WikiLeaks about the Clinton campaign and her indiscretions that have mainly gone unscrutinised by the media and the wider public.
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stui magpie
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| Jezza wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | So, Hilary and Obama founded Isis. You do learn new things every day. |
Idiotic statement by Trump. It's not hard to find online from reliable publications that the group as we know it today was founded by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in approximately 1999 (pre-Iraq invasion), although the group's rise coincides with the invasion.
Although, Trump could have easily stated that the timing of the US' decision to withdraw from Iraq under the Obama administration coincided with ISIS' re-emergence along with the Syrian Civil War that started in 2011 after the group was largely decimated in the late 2000s.
Plus he could have mentioned or at the very least hinted at the US' close alliance with the likes of Saudi Arabia and Turkey that may have also contributed to the rise of the group and backing the so-called 'moderate' forces in Syria where the mis-direction of arms has occurred and some members of these groups have defected to more hardline Sunni-jihadist groups in the process. |
He was quizzed on this, it appears that's exactly what he meant, but chose interesting phrasing. Rather than saying that the conditions the US created with the withdrawal from Iraq contributed to or even caused ISIS to emerge, he's made the link more direct by saying that with those actions, Obama founded ISIS and he's adamant about it even when given the opportunity to pull back and state it differently..
I'm actually intrigued at why he chose that specific wording. may come out in the wash, may not.
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watt price tully 
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Not to me you won't.
WPT misses the point because he's acting exactly as outlined.
I'm not defending Trump, I'm observing the reactions to what he says and how it plays out perfectly to script. |
With all due respect you're not a dispassionate observer. You're an active participant. That you don't see it is another matter but your petticoat is showing😉
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stui magpie
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No, you think everyone who doesn't write negative stuff about Trump is automatically a Trump supporter.
I don't necessarily like him or support him (although I don't like Clinton), I like looking at the picture from a distance and winding up the people who actually do have passion against him, because that's fun.
My main interest from the start was from reading Scott Adams predictions and explanations using his "master Persuader" filter so I've been looking at things in that way and the boy has some excellent points.
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| stui magpie wrote: | No, you think everyone who doesn't write negative stuff about Trump is automatically a Trump supporter.....
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if you're premise is incorrect then it logically follows that your conclusion will be incorrect too.
I hold no such view at all.
However, your eagerness to defend Trump agains what seems to me to be painfully obvious (pandering to the lowest common denominator - the redneck vote to coin a term) means you've taken sides despite saying you're only reflecting etc...
I see what your trying to do but you're petticoat is still showing.
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Obviously the use of the term 'founder' is bizarre and head-spinningly wrong, but if we are to accept this as metaphorical language then the real enablers of ISIS were the Bush administration. It was their war that gave them their raison d'etre, and it was their decision to dissolve the Iraqi army that allowed them to sweep into Iraq from Syria.
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| What makes it so obvious? What specifically brings bizarre and head-spinningly wrong but if we are to accept this as metaphorical language then the real enablers of ISIS were the Bush administration to mind? |
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Wokko
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"Just as we won the Cold War, in part, by exposing the evils of communism and the virtues of free markets, so too must we take on the ideology of Radical Islam.
While my opponent accepted millions of dollars in Foundation donations from countries where being gay is an offense punishable by prison or death, my Administration will speak out against the oppression of women, gays and people of different beliefs."
-Donald J. Trump
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