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stui magpie 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | facts don't matter to voters
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There ya go, tidied it up for you.   |
(actually, thought you'd like the article) |
It's actually pretty spot on. Scott Adams has been covering the same sort of stuff for a while. There's ways around it but it involves a pretty good understanding of human psychology and the caveat that you need to put aside the concept that humans act rationally.
There's an old saying about knowing which buttons to push to get the desired reaction.
You'll notice if you're following the campaign that Hillary has turned the persuasion dial up to 11. Forget facts, forget policy, it's all about repetition of emotive comments. She's using Trump's playbook back at him same as Shorten used Abbott's playbook in the last election.
This is the future of political campaigns, like it or not.
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Why Clinton isn't picking up the white blue collar vote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsb319yyhvs
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stui magpie
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Classic example of how people choose to interpret things in the way that suits their mindset.
I heard the quote from Trump this morning. The first part, where he said Hillary was intending to effectively abolish the 2nd amendment (by implementing some form of gun control) was being somewhat lenient with the truth, but in reality no more than any average politician throws out outright lies during a campaign.
The bit that has people riled was the end bit.
| Quote: | | "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks," Mr Trump said. "Although the Second Amendment people maybe there is, I don't know." |
The anti Trumpers are choosing to interpret that as basically a dog whistle for someone to shoot Hillary
Trump's team are saying it was intended to mean that the gun lobby in the USA is a large and powerful one (which it is) so they may be able to do something about it, as they have every other time gun control has been suggested.
Both are legitimate interpretations and it depends on the individuals personal mindset which one they choose to believe.
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Mate it's obvious what he meant! The guy us a tool. She may be one too, but he's a tool!
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stui magpie
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LOL, Jo last time I checked you were no better at reading minds than I am (which is not good) so you're just doing exactly what I said above.
1. You don't like Trump.
2. If any action can be interpreted 2 ways, your brain chooses the one that agrees with your underlying beliefs.
That last part aligns you with 99.9% of the population
ps, they're both tools
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Actually I don't dislike him, I just don't think he's fit to run a country! I think he's a bit of a clown to be honest! But a very smart clown!
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| If you could, please tell me what would make it smart. |
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David
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Trump often leaves things purposefully vague so that it's not 100% clear what he meant (the thing about Megyn Kelly being on her period being a case in point), but objectively speaking his campaign's explanation doesn't seem credible here. His train of thought was going "once she selects the judges [i.e. once she's already been elected president], there's nothing we can do ... except...".
Trump takes the Vladimir Putin approach of lying on such a frequent basis that people inevitably start to see two sides to a story. Say there aren't Russian troops in Ukraine often enough and you might not convince everyone, but people will start to think the truth is unknowable and that either side could be right. That's what you're doing here, Stui.
As it happens, I don't think we need to leave our brains on the door here whatever our views on Trump, we can still analyse what he says relatively objectively, even given the fact that the American media is insanely obsessed with storms in teacups. He clearly made a dumb joke (not the end of the world, but, yeah, probably not great to give people ideas).
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stui magpie
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Almost no one analyses this stuff objectively.
All media commentary is biased based on either editorial policy or "journalist" individual bias.
The vast majority don't get much past the headline (which is written by a sub editor, not the journo) and confirmation bias does the rest.
Why do you think 80+% of the population votes party line?
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He does have the best hair though. It deserves its own postcode
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Objectively isn't necessarily the same thing as even-handedly. We all have our biases, sure, but that doesn't mean that people are incapable of intellectual engagement with anything that they have a predisposed attitude towards. For example, it's no secret I dislike Trump, but when a story like this comes up my first instinct is to check the facts and try to work out the truth for myself.
Although Trump has well and truly taken the art form to a whole new level, I've never been particularly interested in 'gaffe' stories whether it happens to be about Tony Abbott, Bill Shorten, Richard Di Natale or Vladimir Putin. I'm sure I'm not alone on that. What terrifies me about Trump is what he might do as president, not the stuff that comes out of his mouth while his brain is trying to catch up.
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| stui magpie wrote: |
Classic example of how people choose to interpret things in the way that suits their mindset.
I heard the quote from Trump this morning. The first part, where he said Hillary was intending to effectively abolish the 2nd amendment (by implementing some form of gun control) was being somewhat lenient with the truth, but in reality no more than any average politician throws out outright lies during a campaign............. |
The point here is that he left more than enough room for the interpretation noted. For someone with no care factor you sure show a lot of care in defending basically what is in effect indefensible regarding Trump at times. he knew what he was saying & for him it is now part of his narrative & consistent with his anger. Trump depends on fear & anger.
Still rather than outrage use - enough rope & they hang themselves.
The polls show his strategy so far ain't working:
Of course there is a lot of water to go under the bridge but the latest poll results which aggregate & averages out other polls that is, Real Clear Polls (RCP) which I've posted a few times shows for the period of 29 July 16 - 9 August 2016 shows that clinton has a remarkable 10% lead over the loud, rude & narcissistic combover
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Clinton: 48
Combover: 40.3
Still, plenty of time to go & all sorts of things can still happen.
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| watt price tully wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: |
Classic example of how people choose to interpret things in the way that suits their mindset.
I heard the quote from Trump this morning. The first part, where he said Hillary was intending to effectively abolish the 2nd amendment (by implementing some form of gun control) was being somewhat lenient with the truth, but in reality no more than any average politician throws out outright lies during a campaign............. |
The point here is that he left more than enough room for the interpretation noted. For someone with no care factor you sure show a lot of care in defending basically what is in effect indefensible regarding Trump at times. he knew what he was saying & for him it is now part of his narrative & consistent with his anger. Trump depends on fear & anger.
Still rather than outrage use - enough rope & they hang themselves.
The polls show his strategy so far ain't working:
Of course there is a lot of water to go under the bridge but the latest poll results which aggregate & averages out other polls that is, Real Clear Polls (RCP) which I've posted a few times shows for the period of 29 July 16 - 9 August 2016 shows that clinton has a remarkable 10% lead over the loud, rude & narcissistic combover
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Clinton: 48
Combover: 40.3
Still, plenty of time to go & all sorts of things can still happen. |
He's got at least $20 riding on it!
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David
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At least!?  If we go any higher, I might have to sell the baby. 
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