US Election 2016
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David 
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| Wokko wrote: | | David wrote: | 'literally wrote' might be going a bit far.  |
Trump literally dictated his ideas to some guy who made it sound all fancy and shit.  |
Correct weight.
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Wokko 
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David
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Wokko
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Morrigu 
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stui magpie 
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Wait til it becomes $20 when Trump is elected POTUS and go to the pub and buy a drink with it.
Maybe a Long island Iced tea. 
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stui magpie
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| watt price tully wrote: | I met Mrs WPT in the first 2 weeks of nurse training. I also kept a room in the nurses quarters. She kept her change of dresses / uniforms in the wardrobe & the cleaner told the D.O.N.
I had some explaining to do    |
I'm guessing that tring to argue you were a cross dresser with gear several sizes too small didn't work?
Anyway, back to the US Election.
Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has been on Trump from over 12 months ago, using the filter of persuasion, and so far he's been near 100% right.
So much so that mainstream media in the USA have been picking up his leads and quoting him, which is why he has officially endorsed Clinton as his choice (even though he doesn't agree with her or Trump) to reduce the death threats from anti Trumpers.
Anyway, his take on how things look from the view of a master persuader.
| Quote: | When you are trained in the ways of persuasion, you start seeing three types of people in the world. Ill call them Rational People, Word-Thinkers, and Persuaders. Their qualities look like this:
Rational People: Use data and reason to arrive at truth. (This group is mostly imaginary.)
Word-Thinkers: Use labels, word definitions, and analogies to create the illusion of rational thinking. This group is 99% of the world.
Persuaders: Use simplicity, repetition, emotion, habit, aspirations, visual communication, and other tools of persuasion to program other people and themselves. This group is about 1% of the population and effectively control the word-thinkers of the world.
If youre a trained scientist, engineer, or other technical person, you might use data and reason sometimes, especially while others are watching and checking your work. But off-duty and when it comes to anything important were all irrational creatures who believe we are rational. At least thats how trained persuaders see the world.
You can easily spot word-thinkers when they talk about politics. Their go-to strategy involves identifying enemies and fitting them into whatever category matches their biases and cognitive dissonance. Look for this form:
Examples:
Person X is liberal, or not
Person X is a conservative, or not
Person X is an insider, or not
Person X is a racist, or not
Person X is a legal resident, or not
Person X is like Hitler, or not
Person X is a science-denier, or not
Person X is a sexist, or not
Persuaders know that most people are word-thinkers, so a big part of political persuasion involves defining people to be in or out of a certain category. This creates a substitute for thinking that the public likes. It makes them feel as if they used data and reason to form opinions.
For example, Trump is trying to frame the election as Americans versus outsiders. To Trump, youre either in the American category or youre a threat to those who are, in terms of money or violence. You will note that Trump has avoided calling Clinton liberal. That category lost its power. But Trump has defined a crooked insider category for Clinton and makes sure you know shes in it.
Clinton has avoided calling Trump conservative, because the label wouldnt fit. Even conservatives have a hard time putting Trump in that category. But if the alternative is Clinton, conservatives will hold their nose and accept him in their group.
Clintons strategy which has worked well is to put Trump in the boxes that are labelled sexist, racist, science-denying, and Hitler. Thats too many boxes for the purposes of good persuasion. Persuasion requires simplicity. So team Clinton tried to create an overarching category called hate, in order to assign Trump to it. They even used the love trumps hate slogan. Trump has tried to get out of the hate box by talking about love and doing a lot of hugging.
The most annoying strategy of the word-thinkers and their master persuaders involves defining a group by its worst members. Democrats label Republicans as racists because some Republicans are. Republicans label Democrats as useless and greedy because some of them are. The facts are not important.
The big risk with word-thinking during an election with all the analogies and categorizing is that the public starts to see the world in those terms and act that way. Clintons message has been that America is divided by race and gender, and suddenly we see a horrifying uptick in police shootings because it fits that world view. That blood is on team Clintons hands (my side), in my opinion. My guess is that the genders also have a more negative view of each other than at any time in history. Thats coming from my team as well.
Trump, on the other hand, is drawing us a picture of America as one team and everyone else as the competing teams. In terms of persuasion, this is a super-strong message, but only if he hammers it home at the GOP Convention.
Have you ever noticed that professional sports teams are great at overcoming racism and getting everyone to play together? Thats because the coach has persuaded the players to see the team as their dominant identity. Trump can do the same with America. Just tell us were on the same team, and that were in a friendly competition with the rest of the world. I dont care what gender and ethnicity you are, so long as youre with me on the American team and helping to compete against the rest of the world.
The words Team America would be the strongest persuasion this country has ever seen. That framing loses the xenophobia and hate, and defines us as part of a friendly competition with the world that is good for all. The only downside is that Team America is the name of a hilarious puppet movie. But I think we can get past that.
Im on Team America. If youre on my team, I dont need to know anything else about you. Were good.
*I endorsed Hillary Clinton, for my personal safety, because it protects me from the anti-Trump word-thinkers in my state. But my political preferences dont match any of the candidates for president. |
Just for David, Adams doesn't believe in the concept of Free Will, he refers frequently to humans as 'Moist Robots'.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147595892021/how-persuaders-see-the-world
If you balk at his call that team Clinton have 'caused' the race based shootings, read some of his other blog posts where he explains the rationale. or if that's too hard, read this http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147395227526/cop-killers-versus-racists
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stui magpie
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And this one is just for David.
Trump's glide path to victory. Read it, book mark it and see if it accurately predicts the future.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147342251861/trumps-glide-path
have that $20 ready for me, I'll enjoy it all the more because I know how much it will pain to concede defeat.
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David
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As for Adams, he certainly gets the chocolates for picking this so far out, but I still find his analysis way too shallow and superficial. So, was he merely lucky, did I overestimate the seriousness of American politics, or has he had his finger on the pulse all along? Time will tell. I still expect Clinton to win comfortably.
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stui magpie
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You expected Trump to get knocked out well before the convention
I reckon Adams has his finger on the pulse of what resonates with the people.
Read the "Glide Path" one and see if it happens like he laid out.
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I listened to Trump today for a couple of hours. He does a good job of pointing the converted in the "right" direction but I would be quite surprised (though not $20 worth of surprised) if he could convert unbelievers with that style of platform.
Overall, he still managed to surprise me, just a little, even though the bar of political discourse over there has been set so low. I thought (even) Americans were better than that. |
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Wokko
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Morrigu
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^ Working from home today and as it was on 774 I started listening but the hooting and hollering after every 3 words did my head in so off button engaged!
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