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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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| jackcass wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | If only Kennedy was afforded the same opportunities as Broomhead.
Sigh. |
Kennedy 22 games vs Broomhead 16 suggests he's actually already had more opportunities. |
And how many of those games were subbing? |
Relevance? Kennedy has had 22 opportunities, Broomhead 16. As starting 21 or sub doesn't change that. |
Yes it does and you know it.
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| swoop42 wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | If only Kennedy was afforded the same opportunities as Broomhead.
Sigh. |
Kennedy 22 games vs Broomhead 16 suggests he's actually already had more opportunities. |
And how many of those games were subbing? |
Relevance? Kennedy has had 22 opportunities, Broomhead 16. As starting 21 or sub doesn't change that. |
Yes it does and you know it. |
I've double checked and the records simply say games - 22 & 16 so no it doesn't.
Players hate the sub rule, clubs hate the sub rule, supporters (including me) hate the sub rule, games played records completely ignore the sub rule. And as we witnessed against Melbourne when Kennedy was sub and came on late a player can make the most of such an opportunity but that's what it is, an opportunity. And that's been my point regardless of where you'd like to shift the goal posts. Being starting 21 or sub doesn't make it any less so. |
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Pies2016
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| jackcass wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | If only Kennedy was afforded the same opportunities as Broomhead.
Sigh. |
Kennedy 22 games vs Broomhead 16 suggests he's actually already had more opportunities. |
And how many of those games were subbing? |
Relevance? Kennedy has had 22 opportunities, Broomhead 16. As starting 21 or sub doesn't change that. |
Yes it does and you know it. |
I've double checked and the records simply say games - 22 & 16 so no it doesn't.
Players hate the sub rule, clubs hate the sub rule, supporters (including me) hate the sub rule, games played records completely ignore the sub rule. And as we witnessed against Melbourne when Kennedy was sub and came on late a player can make the most of such an opportunity but that's what it is, an opportunity. And that's been my point regardless of where you'd like to shift the goal posts. Being starting 21 or sub doesn't make it any less so. |
The argument over the impact of being the sub or not is interesting.
Here are the facts up until the END OF 2014 ONLY.
Kennedy - 20 games. 10 starting as sub. ( ouch )
Broomhead - 8 games. 2 starting as sub.
Thanks to champion data. |
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swoop42
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Kennedy
22 games (12 in 2013)
13 games 52% time on ground or under.
51% average time on ground across 22 games
17.3 possession average in the 9 games above 52% game time.
Broomhead
16 games (none in 2013)
4 games 54% time on ground or under.
76% average time on ground across 16 games.
15.9 possession average in the 12 games above 54% game time.
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jackcass
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| swoop42 wrote: | Kennedy
22 games (12 in 2013)
13 games 52% time on ground or under.
51% average time on ground across 22 games
17.3 possession average in the 9 games above 52% game time.
Broomhead
16 games (none in 2013)
4 games 54% time on ground or under.
76% average time on ground across 16 games.
15.9 possession average in the 12 games above 54% game time. |
Very nice but this was your original post...
| swoop42 wrote: | If only Kennedy was afforded the same opportunities as Broomhead.
Sigh. |
To which I responded that Kennedy with 22 games has already had more opportunities than Broomhead who has had 16. Feel free to try to change the facts or inject mitigating factors but that is the reality. |
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Stupied
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Regarding a full game vs a quarterish game as the sub as the 'same opportunity' is a massive wank. You're being stubborn on this for the sake of it Jackcass. Fact is, Kennedy, rightly or wrongly, has had a higher percentage of his senior games playing less than a half as the sub more than any other player. Broomhead has been given a far greater opportunity in his limited games, simply because he has been afforded the full game time required to make a true impact.
No other player has been made sub multiple weeks in a row only to be dropped back to the VFL besides BK. I was prepared to accept that last year fitness was an issue, but he from all reports had a hell of a preseason, and is in the best shape of his life. He deserved a full game last week, especially with Blair missing, and being a similar type, yet was made the sub again.
It's a hell of a shame, as I rate BK almost as highly as Broomy, but the club simply seems unwilling to give him a sustained run of full games. He is the only young player to break in to the side so far who is yet to be given that opportunity to really stamp his mark. |
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loki04 
Tiger Treloar lmfao NOPE.
Joined: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Broken Hill
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| Lazza wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | If only Kennedy was afforded the same opportunities as Broomhead.
Sigh. |
Kennedy 22 games vs Broomhead 16 suggests he's actually already had more opportunities. |
And how many of those games were subbing? |
Don't know the actual figures but I remember Broomy being the sub on at least 2-3 occasions. |
Kennedy has started as sub 12 times.
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jackcass
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| Stupied wrote: | Regarding a full game vs a quarterish game as the sub as the 'same opportunity' is a massive wank. You're being stubborn on this for the sake of it Jackcass. Fact is, Kennedy, rightly or wrongly, has had a higher percentage of his senior games playing less than a half as the sub more than any other player. Broomhead has been given a far greater opportunity in his limited games, simply because he has been afforded the full game time required to make a true impact.
No other player has been made sub multiple weeks in a row only to be dropped back to the VFL besides BK. I was prepared to accept that last year fitness was an issue, but he from all reports had a hell of a preseason, and is in the best shape of his life. He deserved a full game last week, especially with Blair missing, and being a similar type, yet was made the sub again.
It's a hell of a shame, as I rate BK almost as highly as Broomy, but the club simply seems unwilling to give him a sustained run of full games. He is the only young player to break in to the side so far who is yet to be given that opportunity to really stamp his mark. |
Me.... stubborn.... nooooo!
And gees, read my posts. I never said "same", swoop did. I said "more" opportunities and people take umbrage yet it's a plain and simple fact, 22 is greater than 16
And as I've said elsewhere, Kennedy played a lot as sub in 2014 because he didn't have the fitness base due to preseason leg surgery. Clearly the coaches and selectors think very highly of him to give him those opportunities despite his lack of fitness. Reality is kids will earn their stripes playing as a sub until that rule is changed and decisions will be made on who wears the vest based on a number of factors, but ultimately, what's best for the team. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| jackcass wrote: | | Me.... stubborn.... nooooo! |
Noo, never ever.......... 
Yeah right!! 
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roar
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FFS, give it up already, jackcass. Silly call by you, just wear it.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| roar wrote: | | FFS, give it up already, jackcass. Silly call by you, just wear it. |
So 22 opportunities is LESS than 16 opportunities? WTF?
Wow, great bloody logic here....
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| roar wrote: | | FFS, give it up already, jackcass. Silly call by you, just wear it. |
Why should I wear people's inability to read and comprehend basic english. I made a simple observation that Kennedy had had more opportunities than Broomhead. It's pretty simple really and whether thats as sub or in the starting 21 does nothing to alter the quantum. Don't understand how making simple observations about basic facts can be construed as silly. |
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roar
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Me.... stubborn |
Yes, you is.
Last comment from me: How many minutes have each played?
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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| Well, based on Swoop42's careful analysis of game time percentages, above, it looks like BenKen has played the equivalent of about 12 full games, whereas Broomy has played the equivalent of about 11 full games. |
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