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Pies4shaw 
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| So, anyway, should David now start a new thread where we can patronise suicidal Islamic gay marsupials? |
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pietillidie
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | So, anyway, should David now start a new thread where we can patronise suicidal Islamic gay marsupials? |
That would certainly be a change from bludgeoning suicidal Islamic gay hominids 
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HAL
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think positive 
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | So, anyway, should David now start a new thread where we can patronise suicidal Islamic gay marsupials? |
http://www.atlanta.net/Eastpoint/Events/Possums-Show/
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King Monkey
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Location: On a journey to seek the scriptures of enlightenment....
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| pietillidie wrote: | Of course, it's only fitting that I should write a short essay in reply 
I appreciate the more liberal views above for the good of the forum, and in the spirit of countering the illiberal tendency of mobbing (a term David introduced to Nick's the other day). And, I also very much like Stui and TP, even though I know I infuriate them, but I see that as a general social dilemma (different personalities, different hierarchies of values, different approaches, different purposes, different needs, different life experiences).
I also think it's pretty obvious no one here needs to take a martyrdom position, myself least of all. No one is picking on powerless outcasts here, as far as anyone can reasonably tell.
I consider us all crazy, myself particularly, though at least I'm willing to get professional help for it I just don't speak much about my personal life on Nick's because I'm here for the politics and certain shared interests, so you won't hear me talk much about the trials and tribulations that place what some see as condescension in a broader personal context. Does anyone really think that at a personal level I would not have a sympathetic ear for Nicksters or their families, or conversely that I don't think I'm a dickhead or failed hypocrite for doing X or Y instead of Z in everyday life?
But for me, political propaganda, public hoo-ha and daily media cycle nonsense ought to be considered a gloves-off arena from the outset. It doesn't warrant more than it gets.
I suspect my more public interest on Nick's exacerbates these things, but that just goes to basic personality and purpose. I'm a beer and chat person for the more intimate, personal stuff. But for the politics I'm with Keating: It's the ultimate high-wire act because there's so much at stake despite it being so ridiculous in so many ways, and I enjoy the cut and thrust of it. And as stupid as the whole game of charades is, people's lives and happiness are literally very often on the line, so we're not playing for beans by influencing public discourse here even if it often seems as though we are.
I generally try to reserve what I consider due competitive critique for (a) public figures, (b) individual views vocal and loud enough to influence public opinion (no, I don't argue politics and religion with 96-year-old Mrs. Smith), (c) views which I think damage the lives of weaker peoples, and (d) petty ego tit-for-tat (you're a dickhead; no, but you're a moron). At least the people I argue with have the access and capabilities to do the same; like me saying this or not, second generation Muslim kids in the Sydney suburbs, boat people, suicidal gay teenagers, the average Chinese person in suburban Beijing, English learners struggling to get complex sentences out, remote Aboriginal peoples and endangered native Australian marsupials in felled forests and cleared lands, not so much. Take it or leave it.
And this often crosses into the personal because it does, not because I want it to. You'd have to be in extreme denial to think views on complex social problems are derived from some pure rationaility-generating device in our heads; we're not manipulating Lego blocks in these debates. Our views are bound by our brains, and our emotions reside in our brains, so it's a complete social nonsense to even pretend we're playing rationality with a lot of this stuff. Digging into the emotions and motivations is completely rational. And that should be a hint that more often than not we're not arguing a point, we're negotiating social relationships. And social relationships imply perceived social status, and so on, and that gets to the emotional system.
And, agree or not, on a liberal forum in a liberal society, that's an adjudication I have a right to make.
So, in sum, I can't stop what I consider harm being done to others through what I consider reactionary, deeply flawed and of often highly unethical views. But others also can't stop me using the counter leverage available to offset that harm, whether that be the most productive way of doing so or not, whether the harm has been correctly perceived or not.
It's not that complicated IMO, it's just hard to emotionally cope with without retreating into a like-minded, exclusionary huddle. Call that condescending if you will.
But, as HAL used to say in the good old days, "Enough about me; let's talk about my dress." |
"Mobbing". Ironic......
Although to be fair, I am guilty of doing something I'm generally opposed to here - getting involved in battles triggered by others who are quite capable of standing up for themselves.
That being said, one does feel the need to call a spade a spade at certain times.
What the above statement does, is confirm your arrogance, unwillingness to understand where others are coming from, and your intention to maintain the status quo.
As you say, that's your prerogative. Good for you.
Didn't really expect a different outcome, but worth a try.........
So, to try and get the thread back to the topic of gay parenting -
What's your opposition to the discussion point I was trying to raise a page or 2 ago??
Please elaborate if you care to (what have I done   ) on your one-liner with the rolling eyes.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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| How would you use to say in the good old days Enough about him or her; let's talk about his or her dress. |
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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so, who in equal parts is a leftie and a fascist?
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David
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Is that even possible? 
Unless you're talking about fascism in a less literal sense (e.g. without the nationalism and militarism) and just referring to authoritarianism. In which case, I'm not sure any of us would fit the bill. What do you think?
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Possible in some world. |
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