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| John Wren wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | Our integration of Aboriginal culture into mainstream Australia fails in comparison with that of a country like New Zealand with there Maori heritage.
Perhaps we could learn something from them. |
the establishment of the treaty of waitangi has helped with this. also being a smaller population has likely been a contributor.
i lived there for many years. you can very much see the disparities between how the acceptance of the maoris differs markedly from the acceptance of the aborigines.
both experience the same socio-economic problems and have been beneficiaries of affirmative action but there seems to be less animosity shown to the maoris. some of the key maoris tribes sit on an extraordinary amount of wealth. |
ant they are built like brick shithouses!!
no, nothing at all, but well, they are
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| John Wren wrote: | | 1982? without wanting to do you a disservice, i thought you'd be closer to my age range. |
I was born in 1981 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | 1982? without wanting to do you a disservice, i thought you'd be closer to my age range. |
I was born in 1981 |
Born again?
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Funny that JW, I had you roughly in my age range. Not quite my height range though!  What then?? 40 odd??
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| David wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | I've heard plenty criticize Eddie on this very topic, have you been under a rock? A white man just has to open his mouth and every holier than thou halfwit is down his throat in half a second. Unless people toe the PC line on thus they get shouted down and insulted. This forum is one of the most polite and balanced discussions on this issue I've seen (scary I know ) |
People have criticised him all right, but what I'm saying is that no-one has placed the burden of reconciliation on him. Going on several posts in this thread and the opinions of certain media commentators, that appears to be considered Goodes's responsibility alone.
There are a number of possible motivations for these discourses, and none of them are positively good. But it most certainly feeds back into what Aly was saying. |
Ah, "I see" said the blind man........ 
David. Not everybody has an agenda. Most are just calling it as they see it. And a fair portion of those see the way Goodes has gone about whatever it actually is that he's trying to achieve, as divisive rather than inclusive.
This goes part of the way to explaining why those including but not limited to yourself and Waleed Aly are off the mark.
There is no hidden agenda in present day Australia to keep the black man, or indeed, any man down. Once you and others accept that, you can stop being so suspicious of people who don't fall into line with a certain viewpoint.
(You may get the odd nutter, but name a subject where that's not true....)
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David
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We're not talking about hidden agendas so much as basic human psychology. A lot of racism is partially subconscious, and I don't think this is an exception.
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So nice that you think badly of everybody.
Else.
I boo Jobe Watson, Joel Selwood, I booed Barry hall, Davis the traitor, all white players, all dirty shits in my mind, Goodes is a dirty player who stirs shit, but I can't boo him because I'm a racist if I do. Actually nope, I'm a racist if I don't, because I'm not booing him because he's black!
Bottom line I don't care what colour anyone is, I'm really bad at picking where someone is from in any case! And I'm not the first person to say they thought Goodes was actually of Middle Eastern decent. But then if I booed him I'm anti Muslim, so yeah, can't win. Basically folks, it's only ok to boo white people.
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| King Monkey wrote: | | David wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | I've heard plenty criticize Eddie on this very topic, have you been under a rock? A white man just has to open his mouth and every holier than thou halfwit is down his throat in half a second. Unless people toe the PC line on thus they get shouted down and insulted. This forum is one of the most polite and balanced discussions on this issue I've seen (scary I know ) |
People have criticised him all right, but what I'm saying is that no-one has placed the burden of reconciliation on him. Going on several posts in this thread and the opinions of certain media commentators, that appears to be considered Goodes's responsibility alone.
There are a number of possible motivations for these discourses, and none of them are positively good. But it most certainly feeds back into what Aly was saying. |
Ah, "I see" said the blind man........
David. Not everybody has an agenda. Most are just calling it as they see it. And a fair portion of those see the way Goodes has gone about whatever it actually is that he's trying to achieve, as divisive rather than inclusive.
This goes part of the way to explaining why those including but not limited to yourself and Waleed Aly are off the mark.
There is no hidden agenda in present day Australia to keep the black man, or indeed, any man down. Once you and others accept that, you can stop being so suspicious of people who don't fall into line with a certain viewpoint.
(You may get the odd nutter, but name a subject where that's not true....) |
Great post.
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It really is no win with people who just think everyone else is racist, a bigot, homophobe, just because.........
If you say but I have gay friends, black friends, transvestite friends, Muslim friends, it's a token thing, and if you don't say it people just assume you have a circle of all white straight friends and it must be a bunch of klu klux klan or something.
maybe the truth is, most have got past that, and don't even notice anymore what anyone else is. You will always get the extremists, but for the most part most people in every day life are quite happy for gays to marry etc etc. plenty of other things in life to worry about than wasting precious time wondering who so and so's having sex with, or how do I stop a black man becoming what's that expression the "your racist" camp people are using, uppity!
Me, I don't like Goodes because I think he's a bully, A showboater, plays for another team, a dirty sniper that gets away with far too much from the scumpires, and I reckon he is using his high profile as a sportsperson for his political ambition, to the detriment of footy.
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Please note, I don't boo every time Goodes touches the ball, only when he does something sneaky, like staging for frees. Same as Selwood, Jobe however, first couple of games after that scandal, pretty much every time he touched the ball! Explain that one!
Ah yes, that's it, he's ruining our game!
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Wokko 
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Goodes booed again, what a surprise. They just don't get it, the more you tell people not to do it and make a big deal the more they will.
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Dave The Man
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The Media making a Massive Deal of it.
Is another Big Problem with this
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Sam on the Footy show blamed it on Goodes for being a flog and divisive. He suggested that Goodes tries to unite people instead, and should know better than to attack people who you know will be hostile.
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| The Seedsmeister wrote: | | Sam on the Footy show blamed it on Goodes for being a flog and divisive. He suggested that Goodes tries to unite people instead, and should know better than to attack people who you know will be hostile. |
LOL!! Yeah Sam can talk.....  
What a load of double standards from a hypocritical oaf who should take his own bloody advice... 
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Dave The Man
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| The Seedsmeister wrote: | | Sam on the Footy show blamed it on Goodes for being a flog and divisive. He suggested that Goodes tries to unite people instead, and should know better than to attack people who you know will be hostile. |
At least someone in the Media is telling the Truth 
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