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Pied Piper
Joined: 20 May 2003 Location: Pig City
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Tannin wrote: | Nichols got a lot of taps, yep. On the other hand, most of them went to one of our smalls. Is Nichols no good? Or might it just be the case that he was battling to get first hand to the ball because of strong competition from Witts and Grundy and in consequence had little control over where it went? |
He also didn't have Swallow, O'Meara or Ablett at his feet providing strong competition to our mids. _________________ "The greatest thing that could happen to the nation is when we get rid of all the media. Then we could live in peace and tranquillity, and no one would know anything." - Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen |
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woftam
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure.
Joined: 28 Jul 2008 Location: Carum Downs, Vic
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AN_Inkling wrote: | Perfect answer from Bucks. Yes, playing Witts and Grundy may cause us some small pain in the short term but it simply has to happen, the potential payoff is well worth the effort. Taking a short term view at our current stage of development would be a major mistake, especially when the decision is between a Gault or a Witts/Grundy, there's not much to be gained there. |
Very good point. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Location: Bendigo
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Tannin wrote: | Something I've been wondering quite a bit lately -
These days, the resting ruckman nearly always plays as a forward. The idea seems to be that he can take a mark and kick the odd goal, or at very least cause some consternation among the defenders as they have to either play a tallish medium (a Goldsack size defender) on a giant, or else swap one of their genuine KPDs over to the resting ruck and cover the specialist tall forward the KPD is now not minding with a medium. (Or, of course, play three talls in defence, which is usually considered a bad idea.)
In the good old days when men were men and footy was played on Saturday afternoons and you had to race home to watch The Winners in black and white, the ruckman would position himself a kick behind the play: pretty much what we now call a floater. I wionder if we might not see a bit of a return to this theory.
(Garry Dempsey, where are you now?) |
Speed of ball movement and quality of ball use means you get less of bombing the ball to contested situations so unlikely to be as effective in this day and age unless you've got an athletic freak for a ruckman. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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Pied Piper wrote: | Tannin wrote: | Nichols got a lot of taps, yep. On the other hand, most of them went to one of our smalls. Is Nichols no good? Or might it just be the case that he was battling to get first hand to the ball because of strong competition from Witts and Grundy and in consequence had little control over where it went? |
He also didn't have Swallow, O'Meara or Ablett at his feet providing strong competition to our mids. |
Look who the pig dragged in.
Long time no post.
Could we see a return to forum from you? _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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Joined: 05 May 2010
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Tannin wrote: | Something I've been wondering quite a bit lately -
These days, the resting ruckman nearly always plays as a forward. The idea seems to be that he can take a mark and kick the odd goal, or at very least cause some consternation among the defenders as they have to either play a tallish medium (a Goldsack size defender) on a giant, or else swap one of their genuine KPDs over to the resting ruck and cover the specialist tall forward the KPD is now not minding with a medium. (Or, of course, play three talls in defence, which is usually considered a bad idea.)
In the good old days when men were men and footy was played on Saturday afternoons and you had to race home to watch The Winners in black and white, the ruckman would position himself a kick behind the play: pretty much what we now call a floater. I wionder if we might not see a bit of a return to this theory.
(Garry Dempsey, where are you now?) |
I think the game is too fast to have such a player be a slow ruckman (and the days of bombing it 50 metres to a contest are long gone. The best place for the ruckman is to be the neglected midfielder who can provide a link through the middle when a team centres the ball. _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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Tannin
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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T. Cloke wrote: | the days of bombing it 50 metres to a contest are long gone |
_________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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I lost my train of thought. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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jackcass wrote: | Speed of ball movement and quality of ball use means you get less of bombing the ball to contested situations so unlikely to be as effective in this day and age unless you've got an athletic freak for a ruckman. |
Come on down Mason Cox..... _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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Member 7167
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Location: The Collibran Hideout
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Brown26 wrote: | We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...
- Ben |
From the clubs perspective the VFL teams is their to help develop our younger players in particular and get those players who are not playing AFL match fit. The club would love to win the VFL competition but at the end of the day the team is just a means to an end. We are about winning AFL cups. |
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MagpieBat
Joined: 27 Nov 2010 Location: Brooding in a cave... somewhere... maybe...
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Brown26 wrote: | We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...
- Ben |
The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.
Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect... _________________ I am vengeance. I am the night. I am MagpieBat. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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MagpieBat wrote: | Brown26 wrote: | We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...
- Ben |
The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.
Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect... |
Cox is the only True Ruckman we have in the VFL with Witts and Grundy in the AFL Side _________________ I am Da Man |
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MagpieBat
Joined: 27 Nov 2010 Location: Brooding in a cave... somewhere... maybe...
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Dave The Man wrote: | MagpieBat wrote: | Brown26 wrote: | We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...
- Ben |
The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.
Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect... |
Cox is the only True Ruckman we have in the VFL with Witts and Grundy in the AFL Side |
Not really. I believe Gault's best position is when he is in the ruck. I've even alluded to it in player reviews, that we look better with Gault in the ruck. While I wouldn't say no to an experienced depth option (ala Hudson), we're managing alright.
That being said, if injuries hit, we will be in trouble. _________________ I am vengeance. I am the night. I am MagpieBat. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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MagpieBat wrote: | Dave The Man wrote: | MagpieBat wrote: | Brown26 wrote: | We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...
- Ben |
The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.
Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect... |
Cox is the only True Ruckman we have in the VFL with Witts and Grundy in the AFL Side |
Not really. I believe Gault's best position is when he is in the ruck. I've even alluded to it in player reviews, that we look better with Gault in the ruck. While I wouldn't say no to an experienced depth option (ala Hudson), we're managing alright.
That being said, if injuries hit, we will be in trouble. |
Problem with Gault. He can Ruck in the VFL but I don’t see him doing much good as a Ruck at AFL Level
The Ruck Postion has been quite Stable with no real big injuries there _________________ I am Da Man |
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