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Pied Piper Aries



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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:23 am
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Nichols got a lot of taps, yep. On the other hand, most of them went to one of our smalls. Is Nichols no good? Or might it just be the case that he was battling to get first hand to the ball because of strong competition from Witts and Grundy and in consequence had little control over where it went?


He also didn't have Swallow, O'Meara or Ablett at his feet providing strong competition to our mids. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 10:03 am
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AN_Inkling wrote:
Perfect answer from Bucks. Yes, playing Witts and Grundy may cause us some small pain in the short term but it simply has to happen, the potential payoff is well worth the effort. Taking a short term view at our current stage of development would be a major mistake, especially when the decision is between a Gault or a Witts/Grundy, there's not much to be gained there.



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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:52 pm
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Tannin wrote:
Something I've been wondering quite a bit lately -

These days, the resting ruckman nearly always plays as a forward. The idea seems to be that he can take a mark and kick the odd goal, or at very least cause some consternation among the defenders as they have to either play a tallish medium (a Goldsack size defender) on a giant, or else swap one of their genuine KPDs over to the resting ruck and cover the specialist tall forward the KPD is now not minding with a medium. (Or, of course, play three talls in defence, which is usually considered a bad idea.)

In the good old days when men were men and footy was played on Saturday afternoons and you had to race home to watch The Winners in black and white, the ruckman would position himself a kick behind the play: pretty much what we now call a floater. I wionder if we might not see a bit of a return to this theory.

(Garry Dempsey, where are you now?)


Speed of ball movement and quality of ball use means you get less of bombing the ball to contested situations so unlikely to be as effective in this day and age unless you've got an athletic freak for a ruckman.
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:51 pm
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Tannin wrote:
Nichols got a lot of taps, yep. On the other hand, most of them went to one of our smalls. Is Nichols no good? Or might it just be the case that he was battling to get first hand to the ball because of strong competition from Witts and Grundy and in consequence had little control over where it went?


He also didn't have Swallow, O'Meara or Ablett at his feet providing strong competition to our mids. Wink


Look who the pig dragged in.

Long time no post.

Could we see a return to forum from you?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:18 pm
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Tannin wrote:
Something I've been wondering quite a bit lately -

These days, the resting ruckman nearly always plays as a forward. The idea seems to be that he can take a mark and kick the odd goal, or at very least cause some consternation among the defenders as they have to either play a tallish medium (a Goldsack size defender) on a giant, or else swap one of their genuine KPDs over to the resting ruck and cover the specialist tall forward the KPD is now not minding with a medium. (Or, of course, play three talls in defence, which is usually considered a bad idea.)

In the good old days when men were men and footy was played on Saturday afternoons and you had to race home to watch The Winners in black and white, the ruckman would position himself a kick behind the play: pretty much what we now call a floater. I wionder if we might not see a bit of a return to this theory.

(Garry Dempsey, where are you now?)


I think the game is too fast to have such a player be a slow ruckman (and the days of bombing it 50 metres to a contest are long gone. The best place for the ruckman is to be the neglected midfielder who can provide a link through the middle when a team centres the ball.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:23 pm
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T. Cloke wrote:
the days of bombing it 50 metres to a contest are long gone

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Speed of ball movement and quality of ball use means you get less of bombing the ball to contested situations so unlikely to be as effective in this day and age unless you've got an athletic freak for a ruckman.


Come on down Mason Cox..... Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:59 pm
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We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...

- Ben

From the clubs perspective the VFL teams is their to help develop our younger players in particular and get those players who are not playing AFL match fit. The club would love to win the VFL competition but at the end of the day the team is just a means to an end. We are about winning AFL cups.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:08 pm
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We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...

- Ben


The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.

Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect...

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:22 pm
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Brown26 wrote:
We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...

- Ben


The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.

Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect...


Cox is the only True Ruckman we have in the VFL with Witts and Grundy in the AFL Side

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:33 pm
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Dave The Man wrote:
MagpieBat wrote:
Brown26 wrote:
We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...

- Ben


The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.

Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect...


Cox is the only True Ruckman we have in the VFL with Witts and Grundy in the AFL Side


Not really. I believe Gault's best position is when he is in the ruck. I've even alluded to it in player reviews, that we look better with Gault in the ruck. While I wouldn't say no to an experienced depth option (ala Hudson), we're managing alright.

That being said, if injuries hit, we will be in trouble.

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MagpieBat wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
MagpieBat wrote:
Brown26 wrote:
We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...

- Ben


The VFL team has been getting by just fine without Witts or Grundy. 3-2 going into this week, with Mason Cox and Corey Gault sharing the workload. Cox in particular seems to be enjoying having the majority of the ruck minutes for his development.

Not to say that Cox has been fantastic (he gets beaten by experienced AFL rucks), but to say the VFL team has been "stuffed" without Witts or Grundy is incorrect...


Cox is the only True Ruckman we have in the VFL with Witts and Grundy in the AFL Side


Not really. I believe Gault's best position is when he is in the ruck. I've even alluded to it in player reviews, that we look better with Gault in the ruck. While I wouldn't say no to an experienced depth option (ala Hudson), we're managing alright.

That being said, if injuries hit, we will be in trouble.


Problem with Gault. He can Ruck in the VFL but I don’t see him doing much good as a Ruck at AFL Level

The Ruck Postion has been quite Stable with no real big injuries there Very Happy

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