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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:58 pm
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What does he Mean?

https://twitter.com/CollingwoodFC/status/602046263714979840

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:59 pm
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We have 2 number 1 ruckmen - that means when both Grundy and Witts are in the seniors then the VFL is stuffed...

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:00 pm
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Dave The Man wrote:
What does he Mean?

https://twitter.com/CollingwoodFC/status/602046263714979840

It says, we have 2 number 1 ruckmen.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:01 pm
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2 x #1 Ruckman = Grunduy & Witts (we're blessed)

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:01 pm
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we have two no.1 ruckmen. kind of makes sense. i interpret as we don't have a back up, both are bona fide rucks in their own right.
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But Playing Both Hurts there Impact on a Game as Either are not up to AFL Standard as Forwards
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:07 pm
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that's less of an issue because having a proper ruckman at the ball ups increases our chances of getting first use of the ball. we tend to struggle when we have a makeshift ruck giving the main ruckman a spell.
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:09 pm
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John Wren wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
John Wren wrote:
we have two no.1 ruckmen. kind of makes sense. i interpret as we don't have a back up, both are bona fide rucks in their own right.


But Playing Both Hurts there Impact on a Game as Either are not up to AFL Standard as Forwards


that's less of an issue because having a proper ruckman at the ball ups increases our chances of getting first use of the ball. we tend to struggle when we have a makeshift ruck giving the main ruckman a spell.
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Felt like Nicholls beat both Witts and Grundy Tonight Sad

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:11 pm
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yeah, i thought nicholls was good too.
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:22 pm
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The figures say that we won the hitouts. And we certainly won the clearances. Now you might say that winning the clearances just shows that Swanny and Adams and the other mids had a good game, but there is usually more to it than that.

In fact, there are only two circumstances where getting first hand to the ball matters a damn: (a) where our ruckman sticks it down the throat of a rover who is clear; and (b) where the opposition ruckman does that. Hitouts to advantage - genuine advantage, not just hitouts that go to one of our smalls who gets instantly tackled and wind up with another ball up - are very rare. You typically only see three or four per quarter, and that's counting both sides. Nearly all normal ruck contests wind up pretty even, with no great advantage to either side. It's the smalls who decide the clearances nine times out of ten.

BUT when one ruckman is in a different league to the other one - typically where one is a genuine tap ruckman of quality and the other is a tallish forward doing fill-in duty while the #1 ruck rests - hitouts to real advantage are much more common.

Nichols got a lot of taps, yep. On the other hand, most of them went to one of our smalls. Is Nichols no good? Or might it just be the case that he was battling to get first hand to the ball because of strong competition from Witts and Grundy and in consequence had little control over where it went?

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:44 pm
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Grundy had a few really good tapes with Throw-Ins when he put the Ball down Swans Throat.

Witts also had some nice taps in the Middle.

I say that our Mids Dominated there Mids.

So Grundy and Witts putting Pressure on Nicholls mean he did not Direct them as he wanted to

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:55 pm
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Dave The Man wrote:
What does he Mean?

https://twitter.com/CollingwoodFC/status/602046263714979840


The full quote, for the record...

Nathan Buckley wrote:
"Yeah, well, pretty much we've got two #1 ruckmen. It's just a matter of how we manage their time through the centre (square) and forward. But... we don't want to arrive at a set in stone (mix). 50-50 or 70-30, I think that will shift and change and adapt and evolve. And if it's one way for 2 or 3 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if it could be the other for the next (few weeks). They're both still young, in terms of their development. Brodie's matured physically really quickly. Wittsy's a big boy and still got a lot of physical development in him, and he's come off a couple of shoulders, which is a challenge. But we're bullish about where they can both go. And we'll play them as often as we can, without the detriment of any short-term concerns. And we think that we can make that work."

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 12:04 am
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Thanks MagpieBat

Well this week was the best they Looked Together and would hope that they both together improve.

That answer the Question. They will both play together for the Foreseeable future

Both Need to work on the Forward Play and hopefully come a Threat Up there on the Forward Line

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Perfect answer from Bucks. Yes, playing Witts and Grundy may cause us some small pain in the short term but it simply has to happen, the potential payoff is well worth the effort. Taking a short term view at our current stage of development would be a major mistake, especially when the decision is between a Gault or a Witts/Grundy, there's not much to be gained there.
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:39 am
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Something I've been wondering quite a bit lately -

These days, the resting ruckman nearly always plays as a forward. The idea seems to be that he can take a mark and kick the odd goal, or at very least cause some consternation among the defenders as they have to either play a tallish medium (a Goldsack size defender) on a giant, or else swap one of their genuine KPDs over to the resting ruck and cover the specialist tall forward the KPD is now not minding with a medium. (Or, of course, play three talls in defence, which is usually considered a bad idea.)

In the good old days when men were men and footy was played on Saturday afternoons and you had to race home to watch The Winners in black and white, the ruckman would position himself a kick behind the play: pretty much what we now call a floater. I wionder if we might not see a bit of a return to this theory.

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