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Presti35 Virgo

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 2:39 pm
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Would we be stupid to do this?

It is debatable which of Witts and Grundy should be out #1 Ruck.

But considering that Grundy is doing well and Moore will be coming up, are we in a position to move big Wittsy to his homestate in NSW?

There is talk about the Pies trying to lure Treloar. And there is also talk about Hannebery wanting a return to Vic.

Now sure, these players would require more than a young ruckman to get a deal done, but would it be a good start?

The Swans are probably in more of a need for a ruck than GWS are right now, but does Hannebury really want to come to Vic and would he want to come to Collingwood?

Would the Swans go for Witts and Collingwoods first & third pick? (In return for Hannebery and say their 4th or 5th pick).

(In a sidenote; these are the rucks who are going to be free agents come years end: Luenberger, Bellchambers, Sandilands, Kruezer, Jamar).

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:01 pm
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Would have to get a Mature Age Ruckman 1st.

IF Pies traded Grundy they would Regret it. As I think Grundy can be a Dominate Ruckman/Tall

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Wokko Pisces

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 7:06 pm
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Remember what happened to Josh Fraser? That'd be what we do to Grundy by getting rid of Witts.

Keep them both, if they both make it and one is head and shoulders above the other then trade at maximum value if the other doesn't want to sit in the twos. One of the worst things that happened to Fraser was when Steve McKee quit (due to rule changes that made him obsolete) and Fraser was left to ruck pretty much alone until Jolly came in and took his place.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 7:55 pm
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Wokko wrote:
Remember what happened to Josh Fraser? That'd be what we do to Grundy by getting rid of Witts.

Keep them both, if they both make it and one is head and shoulders above the other then trade at maximum value if the other doesn't want to sit in the twos. One of the worst things that happened to Fraser was when Steve McKee quit (due to rule changes that made him obsolete) and Fraser was left to ruck pretty much alone until Jolly came in and took his place.


That probably exactly what the Club will do and It does mean we over do it with Either Grundy or Witts.

Save there Bodies and donít wind up like Kurezer or Leuernberger

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:26 pm
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Wokko wrote:
Remember what happened to Josh Fraser? That'd be what we do to Grundy by getting rid of Witts.


Disagree. Grundy is a different cat to Fraser who never really enjoyed the contact part of rucking.

IF Witts could be used to nab a gun (Shiel, Treloar, MCCarthy) then I would definitely do it. It's easy enough to get a mature aged, back-up ruckman, and Cox looks like he could be ready to go by 2017 so if the price is right, I say go for it.

Of course, if a gun is not on the table then I would be very happy to keep Witts because I believe he will be a very good player.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 7:46 pm
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My preference is to keep Witts, I believe he will develop into a dominant ruckman. Him and Grundy are different styles and I don't see why we can't play both in the same team. I'd even be happy to try putting both in the centre bounce a few times like Geelong with Stanley and Blicavs. Imagine the opposition rover looking at Grundy charging forward to take the Witts tap out, talk about your brown pants moment.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:25 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
My preference is to keep Witts, I believe he will develop into a dominant ruckman. Him and Grundy are different styles and I don't see why we can't play both in the same team. I'd even be happy to try putting both in the centre bounce a few times like Geelong with Stanley and Blicavs. Imagine the opposition rover looking at Grundy charging forward to take the Witts tap out, talk about your brown pants moment.


Could do that in the Future but not sure IF Grundy has the Engine at the Moment to do it for long enough

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swoop42 Virgo

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 2:01 pm
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I've gone from being completely against it to not discounting it for the right player.

Shiel, Treloar or McCarthy would be that player.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:05 am
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I'm completely against it. The Witts/Grundy combination rotating between the ruck and the forward line is going to be a cornerstone of our structure going forward. It takes rucks and KPP five years to develop and Witts isn't even halfway through his fourth year yet. I say keep him and persist with playing him in the seniors. He could be anything and as we've seen when he strings a run of senior games together he usually adjusts to playing at that level.I wouldn't want to trade him for a midfielder.
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neil Sagittarius



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:24 am
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Its stupid what happens when Grundy gets injured?
Does anyone think White is a viable option as first ruck?
Does anyone think Gault is a viable option as first ruck?
Moore is yet to play a senior game and is injured and is being developed as a KPP

How about getting a quality mature ruckman to replace Witts probably would cost our first round pick.

So get rid of Witts lose our first round pick and than we can trade what?

Remember rucks are far rarer than mids

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:11 am
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I don't know why the discussion. Dim isn't going anywhere. Big blokes don't grow on trees.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:26 am
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Culprit wrote:
I don't know why the discussion. Dim isn't going anywhere. Big blokes don't grow on trees.



Hopefully this

Whole discussion is madness.............

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:37 am
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Oh I missed the extra t! Thought it might be a congrats to our recruiting staff.

Not happening, good honest tall, with more maturing to do. Crazy talk.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:50 am
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For years I've watched our solo ruck toil against one ruck, and with envy, sometimes against two. How good would it be if we had two top-line rucks, I would think to myself. Well that day is almost upon us.... and you want to trade Witts???? Are you kidding?

I know he looks like value to lure a midfielder to the club but in 2-3 years when we are bashing teams up in the middle, getting first bite of the pill and dominating forward entries, we will reap the benefits of a patient build.

Rucks don't grow on trees. You either develop them or pay overs for one. I'd rather spend that money on a key forward.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:53 am
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Yeah, let's put 10 years of development into a kid then trade him for a 3rd round pick, genius that. Laughing
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