Kicking critics should 'shut their mouths', says Cloke

[eddiesmith]

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Dane Swan is Clokeys fault roll? Clokeys fault roll is?

[think positive]

[think positive]

[What'sinaname]

I'd rather him miss shots not looking like an absolute spaz. If he's going to miss, then go back to a normal action, not this ballerina-pivot-foot thing that he does.

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[Pies4shaw]

In terms of goal output, Travis' is travelling much better than he was at the same time last year. He has 17 goals after 7 rounds. At the same stage last season, he had only 8. Even if you adjust it for the opposition and take his first 2014 game against each of his 2015 opponents, he only kicked 9 goals in the 7 corresponding 2014 games.

He's on track to top 50 goals in 2015. To put it in historical perspective, this is his equal-best goal-kicking start to any season except 2013 (when he had 22, including a 7-goal haul against Ninthmond and ultimately kicked 68 for the season) - in the seasons from 2006 to 2014, he'd managed the following goals by the end of round 7:

2006 - 3
2007 - 7
2008 - 11
2009 - 7
2010 - 11
2011 - 16 (from 6 games)
2012 - 17
2013 - 22
2014 - 8

Also, his 2015 kicking, handballing and marking averages are as good as his 2014 averages, his contested marking and contested possession averages are better this year than last and his inside 50 count is on track to be 50% higher than it was last year - (indicating that he is covering more ground, much more effectively, than he did in 2014).

I think it is fair to say that he's doing exactly what the Club expected when they re-signed him to his present contract.

[35forever]

I think one of the things we get so frustrated about with Clokey is not so much that he misses easy shots, its HOW he misses them. Fifteen metres out and he kicks it almost ninety degrees to kick it OOtF, THAT just shouldn't happen... ever! Can you imagine a Rugby Union guy doing that? An NFL kicker? An NBA player missing free throws to the point of missing the entire backboard? Someone taking a soccer penalty and missing the entire goalface by ten metres? In the NFL a guy paid to kick the goals might miss like that once, maybe twice, but no more, he'd be shipped back to Slovenia the next day!

I don't believe CFC is doing anything like enough to fix the skills deficit we have, and its all mental. When we're playing well, ten goals in front, we rarely make howlers, but when the pressure is on, when we need it most, we just don't have the confidence in ourselves. When even Pendles starts missing sitter goals there's a huge problem, and the answer from our coaching staff? Don't worry about it, it's okay, it'll get better.

It bloody won't, you know!

It's been going on for far too long, and we just don't want to address it. We watch the best teams kick scores like 10.2, while we kick 2.10, and nothing ever happens! We can afford the worlds best people, but we are too busy having functions for rich people or 'building the brand'. I don't believe the primary goal at Collingwood football club these days is winning games, it can't be! I KNOW we have the players to sweep all before them, I know we could be in the top 2 or 3 (we were a couple of weeks ago).

And it's not just kicking, its everything. Field kicking, handling, marking, tackling, and god help me, simply picking the f*****g pill up off the f*****g ground!!!! HOW are we not able to do that!?!? It's like we don't know how the physics of the oval ball work!
Even now I'm watching us get five goals in a row kicked against us for the third week running! Why in gods name is this happening?! Have we EVER conceded 5 straight 3 weeks in a row? Certainly not that I can remember! Our back 6 was the toast of the league a few weeks ago, suddenly they're a joke! We MUST be getting the pill sometimes, which means we're turning it over far too easily. In the end we've scored a large win, but there is still quite a bit to worry about. It might have been a 60 point win, but this was a bunch of kids with most of their leaders sidelined. We should have won by 90 at least. We were sloppy, making comical turnovers and putting in some very weak efforts, nothing like the wins over the Saints or Carlton. So many errors picking up the ball, and so many gorgeous handball chains finished off with a clunker kick straight to a Sun. We certainly don't look like one of the teams who'll be fighting out the honours this year, not at this stage of the season at least. last year we only had the 2 losses at this point, and had played many of the best, including Sydney, Geelong, and Fremantle. This year we've knocked off the bottom 4 sides and Essendrug. Unless something drastic happens and we start knocking over some of the better sides, finals look a long way off, about 2019 is my guess.

<<We do seem to have most of our success within a couple of years of the turn of each decade. Look at our last 10 Grand Finals...70 77 79 80 81 90 02 03 10 11 (we really should have been in the 2000 GF, the only problem was that we were bloody awful) so really 2017 is the earliest we can hope for, more likely 2018-19>>

[35forever]

I think one of the things we get so frustrated about with Clokey is not so much that he misses easy shots, its HOW he misses them. Fifteen metres out and he kicks it almost ninety degrees to kick it OOtF, THAT just shouldn't happen... ever! Can you imagine a Rugby Union guy doing that? An NFL kicker? An NBA player missing free throws to the point of missing the entire backboard? Someone taking a soccer penalty and missing the entire goalface by ten metres? In the NFL a guy paid to kick the goals might miss like that once, maybe twice, but no more, he'd be shipped back to Slovenia the next day!

I don't believe CFC is doing anything like enough to fix the skills deficit we have, and its all mental. When we're playing well, ten goals in front, we rarely make howlers, but when the pressure is on, when we need it most, we just don't have the confidence in ourselves. When even Pendles starts missing sitter goals there's a huge problem, and the answer from our coaching staff? Don't worry about it, it's okay, it'll get better.

It bloody won't, you know!

It's been going on for far too long, and we just don't want to address it. We watch the best teams kick scores like 10.2, while we kick 2.10, and nothing ever happens! We can afford the worlds best people, but we are too busy having functions for rich people or 'building the brand'. I don't believe the primary goal at Collingwood football club these days is winning games, it can't be! I KNOW we have the players to sweep all before them, I know we could be in the top 2 or 3 (we were a couple of weeks ago).

And it's not just kicking, its everything. Field kicking, handling, marking, tackling, and god help me, simply picking the f*****g pill up off the f*****g ground!!!! HOW are we not able to do that!?!? It's like we don't know how the physics of the oval ball work!
Even now I'm watching us get five goals in a row kicked against us for the third week running! Why in gods name is this happening?! Have we EVER conceded 5 straight 3 weeks in a row? Certainly not that I can remember! Our back 6 was the toast of the league a few weeks ago, suddenly they're a joke! We MUST be getting the pill sometimes, which means we're turning it over far too easily. In the end we've scored a large win, but there is still quite a bit to worry about. It might have been a 60 point win, but this was a bunch of kids with most of their leaders sidelined. We should have won by 90 at least. We were sloppy, making comical turnovers and putting in some very weak efforts, nothing like the wins over the Saints or Carlton. So many errors picking up the ball, and so many gorgeous handball chains finished off with a clunker kick straight to a Sun. We certainly don't look like one of the teams who'll be fighting out the honours this year, not at this stage of the season at least. last year we only had the 2 losses at this point, and had played many of the best, including Sydney, Geelong, and Fremantle. This year we've knocked off the bottom 4 sides and Essendrug. Unless something drastic happens and we start knocking over some of the better sides, finals look a long way off, about 2019 is my guess.

<<We do seem to have most of our success within a couple of years of the turn of each decade. Look at our last 10 Grand Finals...70 77 79 80 81 90 02 03 10 11 (we really should have been in the 2000 GF, the only problem was that we were bloody awful) so really 2017 is the earliest we can hope for, more likely 2018-19>>

[35forever]

I think one of the things we get so frustrated about with Clokey is not so much that he misses easy shots, its HOW he misses them. Fifteen metres out and he kicks it almost ninety degrees to kick it OOtF, THAT just shouldn't happen... ever! Can you imagine a Rugby Union guy doing that? An NFL kicker? An NBA player missing free throws to the point of missing the entire backboard? Someone taking a soccer penalty and missing the entire goalface by ten metres? In the NFL a guy paid to kick the goals might miss like that once, maybe twice, but no more, he'd be shipped back to Slovenia the next day!

I don't believe CFC is doing anything like enough to fix the skills deficit we have, and its all mental. When we're playing well, ten goals in front, we rarely make howlers, but when the pressure is on, when we need it most, we just don't have the confidence in ourselves. When even Pendles starts missing sitter goals there's a huge problem, and the answer from our coaching staff? Don't worry about it, it's okay, it'll get better.

It bloody won't, you know!

It's been going on for far too long, and we just don't want to address it. We watch the best teams kick scores like 10.2, while we kick 2.10, and nothing ever happens! We can afford the worlds best people, but we are too busy having functions for rich people or 'building the brand'. I don't believe the primary goal at Collingwood football club these days is winning games, it can't be! I KNOW we have the players to sweep all before them, I know we could be in the top 2 or 3 (we were a couple of weeks ago).

And it's not just kicking, its everything. Field kicking, handling, marking, tackling, and god help me, simply picking the f*****g pill up off the f*****g ground!!!! HOW are we not able to do that!?!? It's like we don't know how the physics of the oval ball work!
Even now I'm watching us get five goals in a row kicked against us for the third week running! Why in gods name is this happening?! Have we EVER conceded 5 straight 3 weeks in a row? Certainly not that I can remember! Our back 6 was the toast of the league a few weeks ago, suddenly they're a joke! We MUST be getting the pill sometimes, which means we're turning it over far too easily. In the end we've scored a large win, but there is still quite a bit to worry about. It might have been a 60 point win, but this was a bunch of kids with most of their leaders sidelined. We should have won by 90 at least. We were sloppy, making comical turnovers and putting in some very weak efforts, nothing like the wins over the Saints or Carlton. So many errors picking up the ball, and so many gorgeous handball chains finished off with a clunker kick straight to a Sun. We certainly don't look like one of the teams who'll be fighting out the honours this year, not at this stage of the season at least. last year we only had the 2 losses at this point, and had played many of the best, including Sydney, Geelong, and Fremantle. This year we've knocked off the bottom 4 sides and Essendrug. Unless something drastic happens and we start knocking over some of the better sides, finals look a long way off, about 2019 is my guess.

<<We do seem to have most of our success within a couple of years of the turn of each decade. Look at our last 10 Grand Finals...70 77 79 80 81 90 02 03 10 11 (we really should have been in the 2000 GF, the only problem was that we were bloody awful) so really 2017 is the earliest we can hope for, more likely 2018-19>>

[35forever]

I think one of the things we get so frustrated about with Clokey is not so much that he misses easy shots, its HOW he misses them. Fifteen metres out and he kicks it almost ninety degrees to kick it OOtF, THAT just shouldn't happen... ever! Can you imagine a Rugby Union guy doing that? An NFL kicker? An NBA player missing free throws to the point of missing the entire backboard? Someone taking a soccer penalty and missing the entire goalface by ten metres? In the NFL a guy paid to kick the goals might miss like that once, maybe twice, but no more, he'd be shipped back to Slovenia the next day!

I don't believe CFC is doing anything like enough to fix the skills deficit we have, and its all mental. When we're playing well, ten goals in front, we rarely make howlers, but when the pressure is on, when we need it most, we just don't have the confidence in ourselves. When even Pendles starts missing sitter goals there's a huge problem, and the answer from our coaching staff? Don't worry about it, it's okay, it'll get better.

It bloody won't, you know!

It's been going on for far too long, and we just don't want to address it. We watch the best teams kick scores like 10.2, while we kick 2.10, and nothing ever happens! We can afford the worlds best people, but we are too busy having functions for rich people or 'building the brand'. I don't believe the primary goal at Collingwood football club these days is winning games, it can't be! I KNOW we have the players to sweep all before them, I know we could be in the top 2 or 3 (we were a couple of weeks ago).

And it's not just kicking, its everything. Field kicking, handling, marking, tackling, and god help me, simply picking the f*****g pill up off the f*****g ground!!!! HOW are we not able to do that!?!? It's like we don't know how the physics of the oval ball work!
Even now I'm watching us get five goals in a row kicked against us for the third week running! Why in gods name is this happening?! Have we EVER conceded 5 straight 3 weeks in a row? Certainly not that I can remember! Our back 6 was the toast of the league a few weeks ago, suddenly they're a joke! We MUST be getting the pill sometimes, which means we're turning it over far too easily. In the end we've scored a large win, but there is still quite a bit to worry about. It might have been a 60 point win, but this was a bunch of kids with most of their leaders sidelined. We should have won by 90 at least. We were sloppy, making comical turnovers and putting in some very weak efforts, nothing like the wins over the Saints or Carlton. So many errors picking up the ball, and so many gorgeous handball chains finished off with a clunker kick straight to a Sun. We certainly don't look like one of the teams who'll be fighting out the honours this year, not at this stage of the season at least. last year we only had the 2 losses at this point, and had played many of the best, including Sydney, Geelong, and Fremantle. This year we've knocked off the bottom 4 sides and Essendrug. Unless something drastic happens and we start knocking over some of the better sides, finals look a long way off, about 2019 is my guess.

<<We do seem to have most of our success within a couple of years of the turn of each decade. Look at our last 10 Grand Finals...70 77 79 80 81 90 02 03 10 11 (we really should have been in the 2000 GF, the only problem was that we were bloody awful) so really 2017 is the earliest we can hope for, more likely 2018-19>>

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