Terror attacks by Islamist groups

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^ trolling level that one, sorry not worth engaging. Next.

[Pies4shaw]

It's come to something when a polite question is taking to be trolling.

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[Jezza]

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Yes, Jezza, we did enter a new world on 9/11 : a world where we can foresee any level of violence being used indiscriminately against us by an irrational and nihilistic enemy, whose agents are deeply embedded in our society. A world where the nation state is so weakened and porous that it can barely be mobilized to organize against the new type of menace. We are all still trying to make sense of the world in the light of that epoch-defining event.

On Merkel, I presume that she was animated by superficially good impulses, probably rooted in a misplaced desire to exculpate war guilt which has passed its statute of limitations. However, it has been act of astonishing political recklessness, unilaterally embroiling her European partners on the Mediterranean and Balkan front line in a wave of illegal immigration, emboldening the far right across the continent, exposing the German people and society to major and minor crime in a way which exceeded any democratic mandate, and putting at risk Germany's cultural and social fabric longer-term. If she is returned in the elections late next year it will be a testament, I suspect, to the lack of any credible true Conservative alternative, and the Germans' understandable paralysis in light of their history.

There were humanitarian alternatives to her recklessness and poor judgement. A policy of funding refugee camps and screening Syrian applicants in safe areas of Turkey, and then accepting those (especially families) who are genuinely and demonstrably Syrian refugees, might have filtered out the kind of passportless Tunisian who committed the Christmas market outrage. The Syrian people do need help, and we should be accepting more of them while doing more to assure their safety closer to home. If we can once again establish the line between asylum and illegal immigration, despite our home-grown revolutionaries who see it as a way to denature and destabilize their own societies, we may be in a position to do so.

<Further discussion on Germany's refugee policy moved here: http://magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?p=1743424#1743424 >

[think positive]

Bloody sad isn't it. I remember not so long ago my biggest fear on New Years Eve was some drunk taking out one of my kids. And now I have to worry if some lunatic is at the same event as them, ready with a gun or a bomb. Even going to the footy, the big shake down to get in the ground. I don't want my children to have to grow up with that kind if fear in their lives. Where does it end? War is something that happens in third world countries, surely in this day and age, and you'd think it would be close to getting stamped out by now. How the hell did we get to this?

The 9/11 memorial is much more than a couple of big pretty squares of waterfall. The museum underneath, built right where one tower stood, so you can still see bits of the actual building and the damage...... it's one of the most heart breaking things I have ever seen, heard, felt. And I pray that we never have such a memorial here.

As for bringing the Nazis into it, please don't. And may nothing ever be able to be compared to the sheer size, evil, torture, murder, that happened at that time in history.

If closing the door for a while, until proper checks can be completed, no matter how long that takes, well it has to be done. Surely the plight of Europe shows that. Surely you have a right to protect your own citizens, before helping others. (That doesn't mean you don't help them, it just means you have to do it slower, and more carefully) Something has to be done about a religious thing sect being able to brainwash its disciples into committing murder. And that's what it is. It's not war, it's not a fight for freedom, it's a fight for power. It's not racial, it's a bunch of 'normal' people using religion as an excuse to do evil.

As for the home grown terrorists, kick em out, or lock them up, no second chances. Shit heads like the Apex gang, zero tolerance. The judicial system in this country is far too lenient.

[Skids]

Dimitrious Gargasoulas... facebook post..Friday 6.44pm

"Yazdanism, that is who I am, I am not Greek Tongan, I am actually Greek Islanic Kurdish...... angel of cult.... i promise and hold a lot if answers"

Yazd�nism, or the Cult of Angels, is a pre-Islamic, native religion of the Kurds. The term was introduced by Kurdish scholar Mehrdad Izady to represent what he considers the "original" religion of the Kurds[1] as the primary inhabitants of the Zagros Mountains, until their increasing Islamization in the course of the 10th century.[citation needed]

According to Izady, Yazd�nism is now continued in the denominations of Yazidism, Yarsanism, and Ishikism (Alevism).[2] The three traditions subsumed under the term Yazd�nism are primarily practiced in relatively isolated communities, from Khurasan to Anatolia and southern Iran.

If this isn't a terrorist attack, I'm Michelle Obama.

Why do the medua treat us like fools?!

[watt price tully]

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[stui magpie]

[David]

This is pretty opportunistic even by your standards, Skids. In another Facebook post, old mate Jimmy said he was being commanded by "the gods", plural. These are the ravings of a lunatic, not those of an adherent of any recognisable religion.

But even if you could establish that he was a real-life Muslim, that fact would obviously be incidental � to label this a terrorist attack is absurd in the sense that there were no political or religious motives whatsoever.

The only real question here is: why is it so important to you to believe that every atrocity that occurs is an Islamist terror attack?

[think positive]

i reckon everyone fleeing that Mall thought it was an act of terror.
not every attack is a muslim terrorist attack.
a lunatic? all terrorist ravings are those of a lunatic,
religion is just an excuse, don't make it a valid one

[HAL]

Do you have any idea what I am talking about?

[David]

It's not nitpicking to try to establish a clear definition of these terms. Nearly all acts of physical violence give their victims (whether they number 1 or 1000) a feeling of terror; but we use the term 'terrorism' specifically to refer to those acts that use the terror of victims � and much more importantly, that of people who aren't victims � to achieve political or religious goals. This is why, unlike some leftists, I'm hesitant to refer to, say, US drone strikes as terrorist attacks (which is not to say that government-ordained military strikes can't be terroristic in intent).

An act of terrorism can most certainly be committed by someone working alone (like Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik or our own Man Haron Monis), but I really don't think this (or Julian Knight, or Martin Bryant) qualifies.

[Skids]