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Morrigu 
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 Gutless pond scum.
Thugs who rape or beat old people are the lowest of the low - should be immediately exterminated!!!
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| Well, be that as it may, this still isn't the correct thread. |
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stui magpie 
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What about this?
| Quote: | A new normal shrouds Europe now.
Questions we didn't ask last summer: What next? Where will I be? Who will l know? Is my life less safe?
The attacks in Belgium, France and Germany amplify anxieties over Brexit, Frexit, an unraveling of an order dictated by the European Union.
The fabric of cohesion offering peace, prosperity and security patiently woven over decades suddenly feels like a paper bag in a summer storm. Ready to rip.
As once D-Day landing ships disgorged allied liberators on Normandy's beaches rescuing Europe from Nazism's grim grasp, so today new nooses tighten -- radical Islam and rampant nationalism.
The ghastly execution of a priest in a Normandy church cinched the rope uncomfortably tighter. |
http://us.cnn.com/2016/07/28/europe/europe-on-edge/index.html
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| Perhaps you should consider giving to charity. |
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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Jihad Report
July, 2016
Attacks 194
Killed 1671
Injured 2249
Suicide Blasts 32
Countries 24
And no let up with a swift start to August....
2016.08.10 Cameroon Gambarou 4 dead 1 injured
Boko Haram burn sixty houses, kill four villagers and abduct a child.
2016.08.09 Afghanistan Mazar-i-Sharif 2 dead 15 injured
A suicide bomber murders two people at a crowded market.
2016.08.08 Pakistan Quetta 74 dead 120 injured
An Jamaat-ul-Ahrar suicide bomber massacres over seventy people gathered at a hospital.
2016.08.07 Iraq Ajhala 11 dead 7 injured
Eleven Iraqis are cut to ribbons by a series of suicide bombers.
2016.08.07 Pakistan Kadi Khel Dara 2 dead
A woman and her daughter are shot to death because she married without the permission of her male guardians.
2016.08.07 Iraq Bakara 8 dead
Eight displaced persons are captured and burned alive by the Islamic State.
2016.08.06 Somalia Marka 1 dead 7 injured
Islamists open fire on a cargo bus, killing a female passenger.
2016.08.05 Afghanistan Kahk-e-Jabar 5 dead
Muslim fundamentalists bomb a police van, killing five occupants.
2016.08.05 Afghanistan Mehtarlam 1 dead 9 injured
The Taliban kill one person with an IED.
2016.08.05 Iraq Hadar 5 dead
Five Iraqis are beheaded by the Islamic State.
2016.08.05 Afghanistan Chamkani 10 dead
Ten people are killed in two separate Taliban bomb blasts, including five members of the same family.
2016.08.05 Afghanistan Nangarhar 2 dead
Two gentlemen are captured and beheaded by the Islamic State.
2016.08.04 Pakistan Karachi 1 dead
A Hindu doctor is taken down in a targeted shooting attack at his clinic.
2016.08.04 England London 1 dead 5 injured A Somali migrant goes on a stabbing spree, killing an American woman. The only one in the news
2016.08.04 Afghanistan Chishti Sharif 12 dead 6 injured
Twelve foreign tourists on two minibuses are machine-gunned by the Taliban.
2016.08.04 Iraq Hawija 12 dead
A dozen civilians are executed for trying to flee the caliphate.
2016.08.04 Iraq Baqubah 1 dead 3 injured
A Sunni suicide bomber manages to kill one Shiite.
2016.08.03 Pakistan Lodhran 2 dead
A young couple is stabbed to death by the girl's family for marrying without their wish.
2016.08.03 Libya Benghazi 15 dead 16 wounded
An Islamic State suicide bomber takes out fifteen people in a suburban blast.
2016.08.02 Syria Aleppo 9 dead 25 injured
Four women and three childre are among nine civilians are killed when Sunni militants fire shells into their neighborhood containing toxic gas.
2016.08.02 Yemen Lahij 6 dead 12 injured
Six people are shredded by two Shahid suicide bombers.
2016.08.02 Libya Benghazi 23 dead 20 injured
Twenty-three lives are lost to a Fedayeen suicide bomber in a residential area.
2016.08.02 Nigeria Godogo 11 dead 20 wounded
Eleven villagers are slaughtered by Muslim terrorists.
2016.08.02 Nigeria Kodomun 15 dead 20 injured
Fifteen innocents are confirmed killed by Fulani mercenaries.
2016.08.02 Iraq al-Marir 1 dead 4 injured
A mother is slaughtered in front of her four children for trying to flee the caliphate.
2016.08.02 Iraq Baghdad 3 dead
Three suspected prostitutes are shot to death in their home by fundamentalists.
2016.08.02 Afghanistan Sar-e-Pul 1 dead
The Taliban execute a 19-year-old girl who was unfaithful to her family.
2016.08.01 Pakistan Khanpur 1 dead
A woman is shot to death by her brother for having 'illicit relations'.
2016.08.01 Iraq Tal al-Wared 1 dead 5 injured
Women and children are the only casualties of a Mujahideen bomb blast.
2016.08.01 Pakistan Quetta 2 dead
Two Hazara religious minorities are brutally gunned down on the street.
2016.08.01 Afghanistan Kabul 1 dead 4 injured
A guard is killed during a suicide assault on a foreign guesthouse.
2016.08.01 Pakistan Peshawar 2 dead
A 14-year-old child is among two people cut down by Muslim gunmen.
2016.08.01 Saudi Arabia Jizan 4 dead 3 injured
A woman and child are among four family members crushed in their home by a Shiite rocket.
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stui magpie
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Gutless pond scum.
Thugs who rape or beat old people are the lowest of the low - should be immediately exterminated!!! |
I just absolutely misread Skid's quote and thought he raped 79 women.
My head did a WTF, then to "is necrophilia rape" then to "Geez, big effort to have enough energy left after digging them all up" then I re-read the quote.
Oops. 
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Pies4shaw
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So, almost all of these seem to be Muslims killed by other Muslims in conflicts (typically civil wars) in Muslim countries. No doubt many of these are inexcusable atrocities but I'm not sure the list proves anything much (save that bad people do particularly bad things in wars).
If this was 25 years ago, there'd be a whole lot of Muslims on the receiving end of similar (and worse) atrocities in the former Yugoslavia.
If this was 50 years ago, there'd be a whole lot of Palestinians on the receiving end of Israeli violence and heaps of Vietnamese murdering each other (with foreign help). |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | So, almost all of these seem to be Muslims killed by other Muslims in conflicts (typically civil wars) in Muslim countries. No doubt many of these are inexcusable atrocities but I'm not sure the list proves anything much (save that bad people do particularly bad things in wars).
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On the contrary, I'd say it's a damn good reason to leave Muslims doing it to other Muslims in muslim countries, rather than having muslims doing it in, and taking over, non-muslim countries.
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Pies4shaw
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| "Taking over"? Which "non-Muslim" countries have Muslims "taken over"? |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | "Taking over"? Which "non-Muslim" countries have Muslims "taken over"? |
They're working on it, if you hadn't noticed. Hmmm, Europe maybe?... of course that's not a country... but France is.
Every absurd Islamic terror plot broken up by law enforcement, the type of thing dismissed by the media and ridiculed by commentators, launching rockets at planes, underwear bombs and blowing up trains, contained the seed of a horrific terrorist attack just like Orlando, Boston or Nice.
When you turn on the evening news and see a running death toll, its because one of those absurd and ridiculous terror plots actually succeeded. And its happening more and more often.
The reason is simple. Unlike classic Islamic terrorism which required organization and infrastructure, the new brand of Islamic terror only needs one thing Muslims
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David 
I dare you to try
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Not sure if analysis is welcome in this thread, but this is worth a read:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/08/11/rundle-on-modern-terrorism/
| Quote: | New Romantic snuff films and the nihilism of modern terrorists
Guy Rundle
By now you would think there would be some pause in the grisly ceremony: a killing in Europe or the United States has barely hit the news before it is being claimed as an act of terror. The disturbed young men in Germany, France and the United Kingdom who have meted out death in recent weeks and months have one thing in common. After the initial rush to judgement and the suggestion of a well-organised lone wolf, the layers peel away, and a more complex truth is revealed: a young man, of Arab or African heritage but Western upbringing and citizenship, has gone berserk on a train station or street and killed two or three or four, and injured more.
These killings, similar in form, initially constructed as terrorism pure and simple, were soon hedged by right-wing commentators. Though it was not terrorism in the strictest sense, they said, this was still part of the wave of violent Islamism spreading across the world and deserved to be known as such. Anything less would be to let this new form of terror off the hook. This move has been followed by a counter move among those who see the focus on Islamist terrorism as distorting the real character of violence in Western societies: to define other forms of violence as terror, initially violence against women, and then violence against indigenous people.
The motives of those who would seek to expand the definition of terrorism to that which has hitherto been considered social crime is understandable. But its following a questionable path, one that increasingly seeks to brand crimes, and judge between motives. Furthermore, it obscures the real and more complex process by which crime and terrorism are changing. In an era when terror has become an obsession, terrorism as we have known it for a century and a half is starting to be crowded out by a hybrid form of atrocity, which admits of no easy definition. Terrorism, the ultimate political act, is yielding, because politics itself is yielding its position in social and historical life. The endless debate about what is and isnt terrorism continues because we have not yet accustomed ourselves to the manner in which the whole socio-cultural form of our society is changing.
Terrorism as a conscious, yet unnamed, practice sudden unearned death and destruction was a product of the state, and has a history going back thousands of years. Its a measure of how thoroughly it has become identified with non-state groups that state terror now requires an adjective to bring it out of the shadows. (The political effect of this is obvious: Assad can blow 10,000 heads off with barrel bombs and be seen as a strongman; Islamic State cuts off 200, makes a video of it, and is a threat to civilisation.)
In Russia in the mid-1800s, following the failure of more conventional movements against tsarist autocracy, a self-identified Terror Party was born. The terror was directed at the tsarist royal family and government. Civilians caught in the blast as a terrorist rushed a tsarist carriage to deposit a crude bomb were held to be acceptable casualties (though the bomb was not directed at them). Its this large-scale attack resorted to after pistol assassinations failed that gave the terrorists their fearsome reputation.
The practice spread to western Europe, and then to the US. The Irish Fenians adopted it, then US anarchists and a radical wing of the labour movement adopted it, a response to extremely violent repression of union organising amid terrible work conditions. By the 20th century, the radical left had competition from European imperialist powers who had turned terror on the indigenous populations of their colonies. The ultimate result of this was World War I, in which mass slaughter of each others armies became an instrumental strategy, not a moral crime. The Bolsheviks eschewed individual terror and adopted state terror once in power, defining class and political affiliation as categories for mass killing.
Modern terrorism as a defined strategy was born from this period more or less a century ago when Michael Collins re-oriented the Irish Republican Armys strategy from one focused on the occupying British army and its soldiers to lethal violence against softer targets: local informers, helpers and enablers. Terror emerged as a primarily psychological tool who would risk having his neck slashed for a few shillings? The strategy got the British out of (most of) Ireland and started the slow and bloody demolition of European imperialism.
On the other side of Europe, in Istanbul, Zeev Jabotinsky started the movement revisionist Zionism that would birth the other aspect of 20th-century terror: the Irgun. Initially a Zionist defence group in the Palestinian mandate territory of the 1930s, the Irgun (huge fans of Collins) began small lethal reprisals against Arab civilians any Arab civilians as both a reprisal and a terror strategy. At this point shortly before World War II the character of modern terrorism was set, and it did not change until the 21st century.
Crucial to a terrorist strategy were two aspects: one, it was aimed at civilians, or indifferent to their involvement; two, it was measured and limited, a form of meted-out death. Crucial to that was the form of the terrorist organisation: a small, military-style body, with both internal discipline, and members who had internalised self-discipline who saw violence as a means, not an end. The point of terrorism was, as a strategy, to project ruthlessness and determination, to detach a civilian population from its unthinking support for a regime. It required for its success a force of people who were neither disgusted by the act, nor thrilled by it.
But that is a difficult line to manage. For every group like Greeces 17 November who stayed in business for two decades via a series of targeted assassinations of NATO and US military and political personnel, there were many others who strayed into sectarian killings, or an arrogant cult of violence.
For many commentators, 9/11 marks a breach between this older world of small-group/small-target terror; and if not drawn there, the line goes between al-Qaeda and the rise of Islamic State groups. But I wonder if it is time to revise that division, and ask if it is the very recent spate of individual attacks that mark the end of the era of modern terrorism and the beginning of something else.
It is true that while both al-Qaeda and IS have broken one of the rules of modern terrorism limited and targeted lethality they retain the form of modern terrorism, with political aims enacted by terror. Al-Qaedas goal might be the Islamisation of the world, but its immediate goal was the expulsion of the West from the de-facto caliphate the Muslim lands stretching from Morocco to Pakistan (and also Indonesia and Malaysia). It explicitly noted that it would not target countries like Sweden, which it did not consider part of the crusader West.
That is not to give any points to this appalling and evil group, but to point out its remnant political character. If al-Qaeda is nihilistic, it is because its means unlimited body counts admit of no limit. In terms of ends, it is clearly focused on a cause that is not the spread of violence for its own sake. The same is true of those IS-branded acts that appear to have some link back to an actual IS command. Acts like the Bataclan massacre are chilling and are probably designed as such because the West has become jaded with bombings per se. (How many actively remember the al-Qaeda Madrid train bombings, killing 220 people? How large a presence does it have in our memory?). The Bataclan massacre death doled out slowly revives the pure presence of imminent death that gives terrorism its terrifying quality. Car crash, cancer, anything but that, we pray, when we hear of such events.
The neocons who destroyed Iraq and made it the crucible of totalised Islamist terror were desperate to paint al-Qaeda as a nihilist group. Now that Western forces are almost certainly working with al-Qaeda groups in Syria, al-Qaeda has slipped from the news agenda. In the Western discourse, IS militants have become the new nihilists. Its an image they play up to with their branding the black masks, the orange jump suits, the New Romanticism meets snuff videos because it is convenient to them to take on one version of the nihilist tag, the idea that this world is nothing, just a way station, on the way to reunification with the Godhead in paradise, through death.
IS nihilism is this-worldly; the nothingness of this existence is simply a measure of how full, how absolutely un-negated the next world will be. Western commentators wonder how this mediaeval version of the world gains traction. The answer, of course, is that if you grow up in a cut-off public housing estate at the edge of a European city, among a people that dont want you, with no prospect that the political-social structure will change, then you are living in the nothingness that the Salafists talk about. The IS version of the world is a more accurate portrayal of your current state than the liberal-democratic fairytale of the official Western media. Yet even this religious-terror movement, this push at violent awakening, retains a political character, focused on supporting the territorial caliphate IS has carved out of the remains of Syria and Iraq.
No, it is the spate of individual killings that have appeared in the past six months that have a truly, ugh, postmodern character to them. The phrase bandied around is lone wolves, which is useless: wolves have cunning and purpose. The solitary figures that have perpetrated haphazard attacks in Germany, the UK and France are all, or nearly all, of mixed European-Asian Muslim background, not necessarily from poor backgrounds, all with grievances other than Western-Middle East relations, all with a variety of online attachments to anything from the Norwegian far-right terrorist Anders Breivik to US alt-right white supremacism other than IS, but coming to IS material through online connection.
Their actions are thus the occasion for unseemly culture wars about whether the crimes can be claimed on behalf of radical Islam or not. The answer would appear to be yes, and no. In a world in which individual identity is gained in adolescence less through affiliation to settled and stable groups ethnic, national, religious, class and increasingly put together from the diverse streams of the digital sphere, then the terrorism/crime, political/criminal division starts to break down altogether as an analytic tool.
The dividing line of modern organised terrorism, and postmodern hybrid terrorism/crime, runs through the global Islamic State movement, not around it. In turn, it may be catalysing a global wave of hybrid terror/crime/mentally disturbed violence, which has no Islamist connection, but which is inspired by the notion that violence guarantees a degree of meaning and purpose.
One key event in that respect may have been in Japan, where the lethal attack by a young man, Satoshi Uematsu, in a disabled care home left 19 dead. Japan had hitherto been held up as a place immune from the atrocious violence being visited on multicultural societies, due to its monocultural restrictions on immigration. But Uematsus attack had roots in Japanese fascist nationalism, with its race-purity obsessions; he believed himself to be performing an act of brutal and symbolic eugenics.
The pattern was the same as with atomised part-themed IS attacks in the West: a wayward and tormented consciousness attaching itself to a clear and simple cause. The person/subject of modernity who became a terrorist someone psychologically bounded and defined, drawn from an oppressed (or self-defined oppressed) community yields to the mentally disorganised subject. Their psychological boundaries are so fuzzy that they do not know where their selfhood begins, and the discourses of the innumerable media streams of the present day end. They are the very people that any efficient political terrorist movement of the 20th century would have rejected as entirely unsuitable for membership. They have now become the centre of the new terrorist threat.
The culture war right, desperate to portray these events as an Islamist intrusion into the otherwise peaceful West, will find themselves increasingly divergent from police and security services (if the latter are efficient), who will be looking in places other than organised political-religious groupings for possible sources of violence. This is one reason why we should be pushing back against the use of the term terrorist for gangster murders or domestic violence killings, for example because all this does is further license the blurring of lines between civilian police forces, and quasi-military security agencies.
Instead, we should assess these lone wolves as hybrid killers, taking on political-religious themes as an answer to their fractured subjectivities (which often arise from wider political conditions being relentlessly bullied or teased as a teenager, etc, cannot not have an effect; nor can the feeling that violence is abroad in your homelands ), and save the terrorist label for the explicit application of terror as a political weapon.
Violence is terrifying; terrorism is the explicit application of such terror, usually to project a power beyond ones actual force. We should recognise that labelling every political-part-themed attack as such is simply a way of seeking to understand the world through the filter of the 20th century, which offers a more predictable and secure capacity for threat assessment. Guarding such civil liberties, as remain, will depend on insisting that surveillance and state control be targeted where it is demonstrably likely to prevent violence not by defining all violent acts as terrorism and seeking to overturn the civilian/military distinction in policing altogether. |
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Can we get the short version?
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Finally, the system catches up with this arsehole:
For 20 years Anjem Choudary stood on street corners, in shopping precincts, outside mosques, embassies and police stations and used his megaphone to drive a wedge between Muslims and the rest of Britain. Now he has been convicted of inviting others to support the Islamic State militant group.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36979892
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37104446
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stui magpie
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| think positive wrote: | | Can we get the short version? |
Short version is- Grundle likes the sound of his own voice.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| watt price tully wrote: | Finally, the system catches up with this arsehole:
For 20 years Anjem Choudary stood on street corners, in shopping precincts, outside mosques, embassies and police stations and used his megaphone to drive a wedge between Muslims and the rest of Britain. Now he has been convicted of inviting others to support the Islamic State militant group.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36979892
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37104446 |
Arsehole is too mild a term for that scumbag.
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