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nomadjack
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Thanks for the link. An interesting read, but I don't see the link with your point about western governments and the left in particular 'defending the indefensible' or falling for the trap of the Islamist narrative? And I'd still like to know in practical terms what conservatives would do differently? |
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David 
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It seems evident to me that conservatives will do exactly what most other world leaders are doing � e.g. use language that adequately conveys their outrage and distress at the attacks but is careful not to inflame violence or conflict. That's what conservatives like Cameron and Turnbull have done. The only alternative approach on the right seems to be that of radical right-wingers like Trump, Le Pen, Hanson and Kaczynski: act with prejudice towards an entire minority group, whether that be Muslims or Syrian refugees, and make all of them bear the penalty of terrorist attacks.
If you think that's somehow a novel approach, Jezza and Wokko, you need to get out a history book � the idea of making an entire minority group suffer for the sins (real or imagined) of a few is as old as the hills. Whether it be Jewish pogroms and deportations, the Armenian genocide or even the invasion of Serbia that precipitated World War 1, human history has rarely known any other way of handling such matters. If you have a third suggestion, please feel free to offer it.
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Culprit 
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| It's painful to turn on the TV today as the media love fest with death and mayhem is increasing. The media are on a high, flying personalities in to report and see if they can present the best death segment. |
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Wokko 
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watt price tully 
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| Wokko wrote: | http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/16/multiculturalism-pc-caused-france-terror/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
That's what I want to hear. ^ |
Of course you do 
He would fit into your world view  
Like Erdogan he can't tolerate dissent - your sort of guy:lol:
Have a new law that through statement or implication that Poles were complicit in the murder of Jews in Poland - making it a criminal offence to write or state such things - your sort of guy
Then again you cast the reel
Right wing nutter that panders to the racist & xenophobic elements of Polish society - I'm sure I've heard about that type of phenomena before ....just not sure where
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | It seems evident to me that conservatives will do exactly what most other world leaders are doing � e.g. use language that adequately conveys their outrage and distress at the attacks but is careful not to inflame violence or conflict. That's what conservatives like Cameron and Turnbull have done. The only alternative approach on the right seems to be that of radical right-wingers like Trump, Le Pen, Hanson and Kaczynski: act with prejudice towards an entire minority group, whether that be Muslims or Syrian refugees, and make all of them bear the penalty of terrorist attacks.
If you think that's somehow a novel approach, Jezza and Wokko, you need to get out a history book � the idea of making an entire minority group suffer for the sins (real or imagined) of a few is as old as the hills. Whether it be Jewish pogroms and deportations, the Armenian genocide or even the invasion of Serbia that precipitated World War 1, human history has rarely known any other way of handling such matters. If you have a third suggestion, please feel free to offer it. |
I don't think you could class Trump as a radical right winger. He's a Populist who has no sense of shame: he's a salesman & a property developer so has the morals of an alley cat (apologies to alley cats) & will say & do anything for power & "winning".
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Culprit
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Trump is on US 60 min right now-it's a crack up! This guy just looks like a cartoon! How has it got this far?
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David
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Well, at least now we know how Pauline Hanson managed to get on Dancing with the Stars... 
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David
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/19/the-most-depressing-thing-about-pauline-hansons-view-of-muslims-the-facts-no-longer-matter?CMP=soc_567
| Quote: | That has been my exhausted realisation in these last few years: what Muslims do or say does not change anything. And this is not just a terrifying realisation, but a blinding indictment, as it shows just how insidious the demands on Muslims to alleviate the bigotry of others is.
Because when a group can hold fast to prejudiced ideas in spite of factual evidence to the contrary, while at the same time demanding responses from Muslims which they have shown repeatedly they will ignore, that group has not only offloaded any sense of responsibility for addressing their own bigotry, but have created a water-tight echo chamber for the views they will trumpet from the biggest platforms in the land. |
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Wokko
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| When a country is at war you don't bring in enemy soldiers to kill you. Don't think there was much immigration from Germany and Japan during WW2. In fact we rounded them all up and put them in camps for the duration. |
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David
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^ And you think that was OK?
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ronrat
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| David wrote: | | ^ And you think that was OK? |
In some circumstances yes. The Italians were pretty much highly productive and many stayed in the areas. They didn't want to go back and die for Mussolini. At least we interred them and didn't give them a one way ticket to a "shower". A lot of boys of German descent fought in WW 1 for Australia because their families fled German persecution. But WW2 was fought on different ideologies and the Government of the day had no mechanism to handle it all. Our intelligence services were British to the bootsraps and they had their hands full with communists as well. It was natural they would be suspicious of Germans and later the Japanese, both who inflicted casualties in Australian waters (Centaur and Sydney 11). It is better to be safe than sorry. What would you have done differently?
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David
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| ronrat wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ And you think that was OK? |
In some circumstances yes. The Italians were pretty much highly productive and many stayed in the areas. They didn't want to go back and die for Mussolini. At least we interred them and didn't give them a one way ticket to a "shower". A lot of boys of German descent fought in WW 1 for Australia because their families fled German persecution. But WW2 was fought on different ideologies and the Government of the day had no mechanism to handle it all. Our intelligence services were British to the bootsraps and they had their hands full with communists as well. It was natural they would be suspicious of Germans and later the Japanese, both who inflicted casualties in Australian waters (Centaur and Sydney 11). It is better to be safe than sorry. What would you have done differently? |
I would not have indefinitely imprisoned people who had committed no crime. But what do you think? If, for whatever reason, Australia and Thailand end up on opposing sides of a conflict, would you be happy to go to say goodbye to your home, the Missus and everyday life and head off to a Thai prison for three or four years? Or do you think that might be going a bit far?
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