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Get ready for people to "sing Kumbaya" and bury their heads in the sand rather than confronting the problem and being honest.
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| Culprit wrote: | | Get ready for another week of media frenzy. They love this stuff. |
Why?
What did Eddie say now? |
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David
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| Jezza wrote: | | Get ready for people to "sing Kumbaya" and bury their heads in the sand rather than confronting the problem and being honest. |
What would you like them to do or say?
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| David wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | Get ready for people to "sing Kumbaya" and bury their heads in the sand rather than confronting the problem and being honest. |
What would you like them to do or say? |
Not obfuscate that attacks are from any group other than followers of Islam. Not blame the tool of the attack, but the attacker.
I've even seen headlines for this "Truck attacks crowd in Nice".  The media and the pandering cowards on the left need to stop surrendering to Islam. The whole "If you kill your enemy they win" bullshit needs to stop.
Of course it'll be facebook flags, #notallmuslims and "You're a racist bigot" then back to bitching about Straight White Males. |
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What more does the Left need to finally get it through their thick skulls that Islam is the driving force behind Islamic terrorism? I mean it’s not a Presbyterian thing is it? Authorities are prevented from issuing statistics on Muslim populations in the wake of increasing European terrorism, for fear of being accused of racial profiling.
Turnbull is solving the problem by inviting them all to dinner at his joint in Sydney... how smart is Turnbull?
Perhaps this latest atrocity will be a wake up call. Perhaps Merkel will realise her disastrous mistake. Perhaps Obama will turn on his favourite faith and mutter the word Islam. Perhaps Turnbull and his coterie of small l Liberals will come out of their protected leafy suburbs and smell the Islamic shit.
Don’t hold your breath.
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| When did Turnbull join the left? |
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If you ask the Libs Right, he's always been there.
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Wokko
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stui magpie
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So he's left of the far right, and right of P4S.
Does that make him centre or ambidextrous?  
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Jezza
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| Wokko wrote: | | David wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | Get ready for people to "sing Kumbaya" and bury their heads in the sand rather than confronting the problem and being honest. |
What would you like them to do or say? |
Not obfuscate that attacks are from any group other than followers of Islam. Not blame the tool of the attack, but the attacker.
I've even seen headlines for this "Truck attacks crowd in Nice". The media and the pandering cowards on the left need to stop surrendering to Islam. The whole "If you kill your enemy they win" bullshit needs to stop.
Of course it'll be facebook flags, #notallmuslims and "You're a racist bigot" then back to bitching about Straight White Males. |
You've hit the nail on the head.
I want politicians, those in significant positions of power and the regressive left to admit that we're dealing with an "Islamist" problem and to stop defending the indefensible by falling into the trap of the Islamist narrative that these terror groups preach to garner sympathy and justification for why these commit these attacks in the first place.
We're so paralysed by fear of offending somebody, that we're seeing a backlash from the voting public as we've seen with the rise of Trump in the US, Brexit and etc.
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| Jezza wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | David wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | Get ready for people to "sing Kumbaya" and bury their heads in the sand rather than confronting the problem and being honest. |
What would you like them to do or say? |
Not obfuscate that attacks are from any group other than followers of Islam. Not blame the tool of the attack, but the attacker.
I've even seen headlines for this "Truck attacks crowd in Nice". The media and the pandering cowards on the left need to stop surrendering to Islam. The whole "If you kill your enemy they win" bullshit needs to stop.
Of course it'll be facebook flags, #notallmuslims and "You're a racist bigot" then back to bitching about Straight White Males. |
You've hit the nail on the head.
I want politicians, those in significant positions of power and the regressive left to admit that we're dealing with an "Islamist" problem and to stop defending the indefensible by falling into the trap of the Islamist narrative that these terror groups preach to garner sympathy and justification for why these commit these attacks in the first place.
We're so paralysed by fear of offending somebody, that we're seeing a backlash from the voting public as we've seen with the rise of Trump in the US, Brexit and etc. |
What is this Islamist narrative being preache? And what should we be doing differently Jezza? |
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Jezza
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It's the narrative that Islamist groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda preach to garner support and to obtain new recruits from disillusioned Muslims. It's also a twisted way for them to justify violent attacks against civilians (Muslim or Non-Muslims).
The Quilliam Foundation (counter-extremist think tank) explains it in detail in the link below:
https://www.quilliamfoundation.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/publications/free/countering-islamist-extremist-narratives.pdf
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David
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| Wokko wrote: | | Not obfuscate that attacks are from any group other than followers of Islam. |
When have they ever done this? Yes, i'm aware that Obama and other leaders have tried hard to avoid using the term "radical Islam", which Trump and co have made a bit of a mountain out of a molehill over. The reason they do it is less about trying to avoid inflaming anti-Islamic sentiment (a worthy pursuit, mind you!) than about doing their best to avoid giving groups like ISIS legitimacy by granting them the designation 'Islam' (even with the word 'radical' attached). Personally, I don't think the world would collapse if they used Trump's preferred phrase, and neither would things improve for the better. We're still being given the basic facts of who is doing what and for what reason.
| Wokko wrote: | | Not blame the tool of the attack, but the attacker. |
This is as nonsensical as saying "let's blame bullying for Columbine, not guns". Or, actually, "let's blame the free will of the individuals for terrorist attacks, not radical Islamism" (you walked straight into that one! ). If an event has multiple contributing factors, then you need to address all of those factors; otherwise you're just pursuing a hobby horse, as of course many people in these situations do.
| Wokko wrote: | | I've even seen headlines for this "Truck attacks crowd in Nice". The media and the pandering cowards on the left need to stop surrendering to Islam. The whole "If you kill your enemy they win" bullshit needs to stop. |
How journalists choose to report the news is a completely different issue to how governments choose to present it – in this case, I dare say the headline you saw was a reflection of all of the facts about the killer's identity not being known. Or else they just thought it conveyed the savage and horrific nature of the attack in a way your preferred headline might not have.
| Wokko wrote: | | Of course it'll be facebook flags, #notallmuslims and "You're a racist bigot" then back to bitching about Straight White Males. |
I agree – it's depressing that so many people are only interested in events like these so long as they can be used to push their own agendas. But are you sure that's not what you're doing?
In situations like these, what I want from our leaders are responses that are responsible, measured and appropriate. I want them to convey what has happened in a truthful manner and call for calm where calm is needed. I want them to do what they can to ensure that such events are prevented in future. I feel like Obama, Hollande, Turnbull and other world leaders have done all we could ask of them in most cases, and I'd need someone to point to fundamental errors of judgement on their part to be convinced otherwise.
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