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Wokko 
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| You don't have to wait for someone to attack you to physically defend yourself. No case to answer, the idiots should write a letter of apology. |
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mosig
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| Legally or morally? |
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Woods 
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
Location: Melbourne
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| Funny thing is that after a weekend of people wrapping themselves in the flag in tribute to the Anzacs, in which larrikinism is considered revered quality, a couple of larrikins in Adelaide cause a bit of a verbal incident and everyone condemns them. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
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| mosig wrote: | | Legally or morally? |
Both.
“The question to be asked in the end is quite simple. It is whether the accused believed upon reasonable grounds that it was necessary in self-defence to do what he did. If he had that belief and there were reasonable grounds for it, or if the jury is left in reasonable doubt about the matter, then he is entitled to an acquittal. Stated in this form, the question is one of general application and is not limited to cases of homicide.”
That's from a High Court ruling. Someone getting in my face and shouting at me aggressively would put me in a position where I would believe I was under imminent threat of attack and would act accordingly. Clarkson did exactly that and what he did would also not come under 'excessive defense' because he didn't beat the crap out of the bloke, or even strike him with enough force to do any kind of damage. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| Woods wrote: | | Funny thing is that after a weekend of people wrapping themselves in the flag in tribute to the Anzacs, in which larrikinism is considered revered quality, a couple of larrikins in Adelaide cause a bit of a verbal incident and everyone condemns them. |
In the days of 'larrikins', shouting at someone like that would get you KO'd by another 'larrikin'. |
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simon tonna
Joined: 24 Oct 2013
Location: carindale
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All I saw was a pissed nuisance harassing a sober little bloke with a defensive mind set. Three cheers to the little guy.
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mosig
Joined: 24 May 2011
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| Wokko wrote: | | mosig wrote: | | Legally or morally? |
Both.
“The question to be asked in the end is quite simple. It is whether the accused believed upon reasonable grounds that it was necessary in self-defence to do what he did. If he had that belief and there were reasonable grounds for it, or if the jury is left in reasonable doubt about the matter, then he is entitled to an acquittal. Stated in this form, the question is one of general application and is not limited to cases of homicide.”
That's from a High Court ruling. Someone getting in my face and shouting at me aggressively would put me in a position where I would believe I was under imminent threat of attack and would act accordingly. Clarkson did exactly that and what he did would also not come under 'excessive defense' because he didn't beat the crap out of the bloke, or even strike him with enough force to do any kind of damage. |
What's your thoughts about the AFL spruiking his side of events? |
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Woods
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
Location: Melbourne
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| Wokko wrote: | | Woods wrote: | | Funny thing is that after a weekend of people wrapping themselves in the flag in tribute to the Anzacs, in which larrikinism is considered revered quality, a couple of larrikins in Adelaide cause a bit of a verbal incident and everyone condemns them. |
In the days of 'larrikins', shouting at someone like that would get you KO'd by another 'larrikin'. |
No. An essential feature of larrikinism is that it is boisterous, noisy and goodhearted,not violent. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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There's a line. When it's a bunch of people at a pub then sure, go nuts, yell at each other and have a laugh. But this is someone walking down a street and having someone come right up into his face and shout. Obviously Clarko went into fight or flight mode and gave the guy a short punch/shove.
If I was in my Pies gear as a 'normal' fan and someone got right up in my face as I walked to the train/car and shouted "Go Blues" at me after a loss I'd do exactly the same thing.
The guy is just lucky that Clarko is a manlet who punches like a girl  |
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Woods
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
Location: Melbourne
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| Wokko wrote: | There's a line. When it's a bunch of people at a pub then sure, go nuts, yell at each other and have a laugh. But this is someone walking down a street and having someone come right up into his face and shout. Obviously Clarko went into fight or flight mode and gave the guy a short punch/shove.
If I was in my Pies gear as a 'normal' fan and someone got right up in my face as I walked to the train/car and shouted "Go Blues" at me after a loss I'd do exactly the same thing.
The guy is just lucky that Clarko is a manlet who punches like a girl |
I understand your point of view. But please understand mine.
What I'm drawing attention to is the contradiction in values that people are holding simultaneously on this Anzac weekend - a reverence to all things Anzac (including their larrikinism) and a condemnation of two present day larrikins in Adelaide.
To put it another way: Imagine two Anzac diggers on leave in London during WWI. They are walking down Pall Mall in London giving cheek to passing poms. They look ahead and see the commander of British forces General Haigh approaching them. The Aussies go close up to him and shout, "How'd the win on the Somme go, Haighy!" The general physically attacks them.
Who does one support? Depends on your values, but you can't support Haigh without also supporting Clarkson. And you can't support the Anzac diggers without supporting the blokes in Adelaide. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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I must have seen a different video. I'm not sure how a left arm roundhouse swing could be called a push, forceful or otherwise.
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5150 
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Wokko wrote: | There's a line. When it's a bunch of people at a pub then sure, go nuts, yell at each other and have a laugh. But this is someone walking down a street and having someone come right up into his face and shout. Obviously Clarko went into fight or flight mode and gave the guy a short punch/shove.
If I was in my Pies gear as a 'normal' fan and someone got right up in my face as I walked to the train/car and shouted "Go Blues" at me after a loss I'd do exactly the same thing.
The guy is just lucky that Clarko is a manlet who punches like a girl |
Had to google manlet - words like winsy, tiny & douche came up.
I tips me lids to ya good sir, spot on comparison. |
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Agree with Leigh Matthews.
The Dickhead was lucky not to get KO’ed to Next Week
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ANNODAM
Rebel Heart Tour - The Forum, Los Angeles 27/10/2015.
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Location: Eltham, VIC.
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The Manlet has 3 fags...
Edit: I meant Flags, LOL!
And also, I agree with what Clarko did, the douche bag deserved it & was doing it to get a reaction which is why it was taped...
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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| stui magpie wrote: | | I must have seen a different video. I'm not sure how a left arm roundhouse swing could be called a push, forceful or otherwise. |
When did you grow a vagina? 
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