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Pies4shaw 
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| No, they're quite soft. Also lost badly to a team below them. |
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stoliboy 
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Sydney, NSW
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| stui magpie wrote: | | stoliboy wrote: | I have had a crack at the form ladder.
I have tried to address the criticism made against Collingwood that we have not beaten anyone outside of the bottom 8 (until today against GWS... Go Pies!).
Beat a team ABOVE you on the ladder = 1.5
Beat a team BELOW you on the ladder = 1.0
Lose a team ABOVE you on the ladder = -1.0
Lose a team BELOW you on the ladder = -1.5
I used this ladder to calculate where each team was on the ladder at the end of each round: http://finalsiren.com/AFLLadder.asp?AFLLadderTypeID=2&SeasonID=2015&Round=1-1
This data is from the end of Round 10 so it does not take into consideration the Pies win today against GWS (if I did Collingwood would jump up to 5th). Will wait until the end of Round 12 when each team has played the same number of games.
Club TOTAL
1. Fremantle 7
2. Sydney 5
3. West Coast 5
4. GWS 4.5
5. Richmond 3.5
6. Collingwood 3
7. Geelong 3
8. Port Adelaide 2.5
9. North Melbourne 2
10. Hawthorn 1
11. Adelaide 0.5
12. Western Bulldogs 0
13. Essendon -1
14. St Kilda -3
15. Brisbane -4.5
16. Melbourne -6
17. Carlton -7
18. Gold Coast -7.5 |
Has Freo beaten someone above them on the ladder this year?  |
 Yes they have. In Round 4 Fremantle beat Sydney 74-60. At the time Sydney was 2nd, and Fremantle 3rd.
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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obviously this will change due to the bye weeks, my form ladder based on recent form, i.e. the last 4-5 weeks.
sydney
richmond
freo
collingwood
west coast
hawthorn
adelaide
gws
geelong
port adelaide
north melbourne
st kilda
melbourne
western bulldogs
essendon
brisbane
gold coast
carlton
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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Round 11
1. Fremantle
2. Sydney
3. West Coast
4. Hawthorn
5. Collingwood
6. Geelong
7. Richmond
8. Adelaide
9. GWS
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Port Adelaide
12. North Melbourne
13. Essendon
14. St. Kilda
15. Melbourne
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
18. Carlton
The positions from 5-12 were really difficult to work out. I tried a system where I assigned points based on positions – whether they were playing top 4 teams, each other or the bottom 6 – and margins. What surprised me was how high we ended up and that Port and North were so low. Otherwise, I think this is about right.
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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how the fook can you have richmond at 7th? they beat freo at freo's home ground. they didn't just beat them, they pretty much dismantled them in that first quarter. they have also had some solid wins on the trot.
freo, in the last two weeks, has lost to richmond and narrowly beat a team on the bottom of the ladder. that's not being a form team in my book and provides evidence to the folly of your ladder.
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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| David wrote: | Round 11
1. Fremantle
2. Sydney
3. West Coast
4. Hawthorn
5. Collingwood
6. Geelong
7. Richmond
8. Adelaide
9. GWS
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Port Adelaide
12. North Melbourne
13. Essendon
14. St. Kilda
15. Melbourne
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
18. Carlton
The positions from 5-12 were really difficult to work out. I tried a system where I assigned points based on positions – whether they were playing top 4 teams, each other or the bottom 6 – and margins. What surprised me was how high we ended up and that Port and North were so low. Otherwise, I think this is about right. |
Pretty good chance the teams in the top 4 of your form ladder will be top 4 at the end of the season.
Most likely that'll be the top 8 also.
Positions to vary.
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Pies4shaw
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^^^ Provided Hawthorn can beat a team in the actual top 8, they have some potential to "be a real threat this year". So far, they've beaten 9th, 11th, 12th, 15th, 17th and 14th and lost to 10th, 13th, 2nd and 5th.
If Collingwood was going that badly, there'd be a significant groundswell calling for Buckley to be sacked.
Hawthorn have the "difficult" part of their draw coming up over the next little while. The question does have to be asked, though - after winning the last 2 flags, how the f$%# do they get to play the Blooz and Essendon each twice? Shouldn't they be playing Sydney, North, Port, Freo and Geelong twice? |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| John Wren wrote: | how the fook can you have richmond at 7th? they beat freo at freo's home ground. they didn't just beat them, they pretty much dismantled them in that first quarter. they have also had some solid wins on the trot.
freo, in the last two weeks, has lost to richmond and narrowly beat a team on the bottom of the ladder. that's not being a form team in my book and provides evidence to the folly of your ladder. |
lmao. How many times do we have to have this argument? Let's just concede that we're taking two different approaches to this exercise and leave it at that.
Under my approach, the Richmond that beat Fremantle is the same Richmond that lost to Melbourne, North and the Western Bulldogs. Likewise, Freo have been poor these past two weeks, but they were so far ahead of the pack that they can afford a hiccup. As good as they've been, none of the three teams directly below them have made a compelling case why they should be at the top of the table.
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Pies4shaw
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| Can you lose to Melbourne easily at your home ground and still be 6th? |
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Jezza 
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End of round 12:
1. Sydney
2. Fremantle
3. West Coast
4. Hawthorn
5. Collingwood
6. Richmond
7. Western Bulldogs
8. Adelaide
9. Geelong
10. GWS
11. North Melbourne
12. Port Adelaide
13. St.Kilda
14. Essendon
15. Melbourne
16. Carlton
17. Brisbane
18. Gold Coast
What do people think?
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Albert Parker
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^looks pretty good on the whole Jezza.
Problem is reacting to one game. Cats carved us up, yet looked so insipid against the Dees on the weekend, who we overcame just a couple of weeks ago.
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David
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Round 12:
1. Fremantle
2. West Coast
3. Sydney
4. Hawthorn
5. Collingwood
6. Richmond
7. Adelaide
8. Geelong
9. North Melbourne
10. Western Bulldogs
11. GWS
12. Port Adelaide
13. Essendon
14. Melbourne
15. St. Kilda
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
18. Carlton
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perthmagpie 
Joined: 27 Mar 2004
Location: Yarrawonga
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| Jezza wrote: | End of round 12:
1. Sydney
2. Fremantle
3. West Coast
4. Hawthorn
5. Collingwood
6. Richmond
7. Western Bulldogs
8. Adelaide
9. Geelong
10. GWS
11. North Melbourne
12. Port Adelaide
13. St.Kilda
14. Essendon
15. Melbourne
16. Carlton
17. Brisbane
18. Gold Coast
What do people think? |
This. North will be back in the eight soon and probably stay there.
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David
I dare you to try
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I have a feeling we're underrating North. They've had a few embarrassing losses, but have generally performed well against other teams in the 5-12 category, and they've beaten a top four team (West Coast). Like you, I think they're more likely to play finals than, say, Geelong, the Bulldogs or GWS.
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