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thompsoc 



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:53 pm
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As people know I am not a great fan of Hine.
But he did have one great year - the 2006 draft.
In that year he recruited Reid, Brown, Dawes, Goldsack,
,Wellers, Caf and Clarke.
A couple of A graders and some other excellent players.
6 played in the 2010 GF.
If you can jag a 6 pack in one year it can really help you
get to the top of the dune heap!
The 2012 draft has given us Grundy,Frost, Kennedy, Broom,
Dwyer, Ramsay, Oxley - they can all play AFL footy which is great
None are yet elite or even considered very good.
But they have excellent potential and if we can jag a new 6 pack
it would be great.

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Achilles 



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:10 pm
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Who should Hine have picked in 2012 taking into account the teams that finished at the bottom plus GWS's entry into the AFL that year. The Gold Coast and GWS took the cream of the crop leaving a very diluted talent pool from which to recruit good players. Hine and other recruiters were really up against it those years. You're right though, I think those players you mentioned are foundational to our future success and should come good in years to come.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:21 pm
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The most important thing to notice about the 2006 draft is that most of the blokes who played in the premiership didn't start to display much at senior level until 2010.

So, Dawes played 10 games over 2008 and 2009 before playing 20 (starting from round 5) in 2010. Brown played 23 in 2008 but dropped away in 2009 and 2010, only getting picked as Presti's sub, and really only cemented his spot in 2012 (he missed 2011 with injury). Reid played 3, 3 and 2 games in 2007 to 2009, before playing 21 in 2010. Wellingham played 12 and 16 in 2008 and 2009 before hitting the mark with 24 in 2010 (his year started with a barn-storming first quarter in the opening match against Footscray). Caff played 5 games in 2009 before playing 21 in 2010. Goldsack kicked off with a solid 2007 but played a little under half the games in 2010 and didn't really play a full season of good football until 2012.

The real outlier from the pre-2010 drafts was Sidebottom. He starred in the semi-final win against the Crows in his first season and was one of our best few in the Grand Final victory, after playing all 25 games that year.

Thus, the lesson is that you shouldn't really look to see anyone from 2012 doing much until next season. If they come on this year, as a number of them look to have done, it's a bonus.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:39 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
The most important thing to notice about the 2006 draft is that most of the blokes who played in the premiership didn't start to display much at senior level until 2010.

So, Dawes played 10 games over 2008 and 2009 before playing 20 (starting from round 5) in 2010. Brown played 23 in 2008 but dropped away in 2009 and 2010, only getting picked as Presti's sub, and really only cemented his spot in 2012 (he missed 2011 with injury). Reid played 3, 3 and 2 games in 2007 to 2009, before playing 21 in 2010. Wellingham played 12 and 16 in 2008 and 2009 before hitting the mark with 24 in 2010 (his year started with a barn-storming first quarter in the opening match against Footscray). Caff played 5 games in 2009 before playing 21 in 2010. Goldsack kicked off with a solid 2007 but played a little under half the games in 2010 and didn't really play a full season of good football until 2012.

The real outlier from the pre-2010 drafts was Sidebottom. He starred in the semi-final win against the Crows in his first season and was one of our best few in the Grand Final victory, after playing all 25 games that year.

Thus, the lesson is that you shouldn't really look to see anyone from 2012 doing much until next season. If they come on this year, as a number of them look to have done, it's a bonus.


Exactly, we need a couple to do a Sidebottom and perform above expectations this season to challenge for the 8. Doesn't help that Broomy, Ramsay, and Kennedy have all had significant injury issues over the last 2 seasons But certainly not as far fetched as it might seem. Grundy is certainly becoming a more than handy player, be nice if we can get Witts into the side to help support him.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:37 pm
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The development time of the 2006 draftees is a little bit distorted as we went to that draft planning on stocking up on tall players who take two years longer to reach the required level. In the last three years of drafting ( since we decided to trade back into the National draft to rejuvenate our list with high end talent) I believe the extreme level of injuries the list has suffered has caused the equivalent of a year's delay in being able to see the benefits of this three year investment. The 2012 draft is a good example: Grundy had a stuffed back and missed his first pre-season, Broomy was sick and Kennedy had compartment syndrome which held back his fitness development. Also you had Ramsay being the youngest draftee in that year.

If these guys had normal pre-seasons in their first year and Freeman, Scharenberg played last year we would be one year closer to being a top four side again.

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Pies2016 



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:26 am
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Good call by perthmagpie. The development periods missed by virtually every player selected in the 2012 and 2013 drafts is a valid argument.
All the high draft picks have missed big slices of game time in either VFL or AFL.
You can also add broomheads broken wrist / hand in the 2014 pre season too. Scharenbergs misfortune ( feet and knee ) will have cost him two years of footy by the time he comes back. He didnt even play the second half of the 2013 U18s. We need to be particularly patient with this kid. You cant train confidence.
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Santo Aries



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:03 pm
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The irony is we got Grundy and Broomhead courtesy of the 2006 draft. (Wellers and Dawes). Giggidy...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:56 pm
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pardon my caution, it is a tad early to call the quality of the 2012 draft i think. Sure a few of those lad seem likely to becoming solid players... matthew kreuzer looked like a gun early too..look what a few years of injury have done...i would argue we need a few more years yet to properly rate the 2012 draft.

Also alot of rating a draft is about seeing how other players in that same draft pan out....if at pick.23 you got a player who manages a few years of ok football versus a player at pick.24 who goes on to play 250 games and win a premiership well then you can rate.

My point really is these threads are best left till 2018 just so we don't jinx anything Smile

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Az 



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:29 pm
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jackcass wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
The most important thing to notice about the 2006 draft is that most of the blokes who played in the premiership didn't start to display much at senior level until 2010.

So, Dawes played 10 games over 2008 and 2009 before playing 20 (starting from round 5) in 2010. Brown played 23 in 2008 but dropped away in 2009 and 2010, only getting picked as Presti's sub, and really only cemented his spot in 2012 (he missed 2011 with injury). Reid played 3, 3 and 2 games in 2007 to 2009, before playing 21 in 2010. Wellingham played 12 and 16 in 2008 and 2009 before hitting the mark with 24 in 2010 (his year started with a barn-storming first quarter in the opening match against Footscray). Caff played 5 games in 2009 before playing 21 in 2010. Goldsack kicked off with a solid 2007 but played a little under half the games in 2010 and didn't really play a full season of good football until 2012.

The real outlier from the pre-2010 drafts was Sidebottom. He starred in the semi-final win against the Crows in his first season and was one of our best few in the Grand Final victory, after playing all 25 games that year.

Thus, the lesson is that you shouldn't really look to see anyone from 2012 doing much until next season. If they come on this year, as a number of them look to have done, it's a bonus.


Exactly, we need a couple to do a Sidebottom and perform above expectations this season to challenge for the 8. Doesn't help that Broomy, Ramsay, and Kennedy have all had significant injury issues over the last 2 seasons But certainly not as far fetched as it might seem. Grundy is certainly becoming a more than handy player, be nice if we can get Witts into the side to help support him.


We already have one in Langdon. Far exceeding any expectations, even if he was taken as a first rounder.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:32 pm
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Az wrote:
jackcass wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
The most important thing to notice about the 2006 draft is that most of the blokes who played in the premiership didn't start to display much at senior level until 2010.

So, Dawes played 10 games over 2008 and 2009 before playing 20 (starting from round 5) in 2010. Brown played 23 in 2008 but dropped away in 2009 and 2010, only getting picked as Presti's sub, and really only cemented his spot in 2012 (he missed 2011 with injury). Reid played 3, 3 and 2 games in 2007 to 2009, before playing 21 in 2010. Wellingham played 12 and 16 in 2008 and 2009 before hitting the mark with 24 in 2010 (his year started with a barn-storming first quarter in the opening match against Footscray). Caff played 5 games in 2009 before playing 21 in 2010. Goldsack kicked off with a solid 2007 but played a little under half the games in 2010 and didn't really play a full season of good football until 2012.

The real outlier from the pre-2010 drafts was Sidebottom. He starred in the semi-final win against the Crows in his first season and was one of our best few in the Grand Final victory, after playing all 25 games that year.

Thus, the lesson is that you shouldn't really look to see anyone from 2012 doing much until next season. If they come on this year, as a number of them look to have done, it's a bonus.


Exactly, we need a couple to do a Sidebottom and perform above expectations this season to challenge for the 8. Doesn't help that Broomy, Ramsay, and Kennedy have all had significant injury issues over the last 2 seasons But certainly not as far fetched as it might seem. Grundy is certainly becoming a more than handy player, be nice if we can get Witts into the side to help support him.


We already have one in Langdon. Far exceeding any expectations, even if he was taken as a first rounder.


Yep, Frost and Broomhead project as others.
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