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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:20 pm
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So yesterday, apparently ( I was up bush for the weekend) there was a rally/protest march in the city by a mob called "reclaim Australia" who were protesting against, essentially, Muslims.

I'll be honest, I haven't dug into their motivations so I don't know if they're a pack of redneck fuktards or a serious lobby group with serious concerns. However, surely they're entitled to have their voice? Yeah?

Apparently not.

The Socialist Alternative/alliance whatever decided to stage their own rally. So the same people who complain bitterly and publicly when they believe that their rights to protest are infringed by the authorities, will organise to actively disrupt another protest that they disagree with.

Wow, hypocritical much?

is this what the left really think of free speech? Is it only free speech as long as it follows left wing guidelines and when it strays from that, censorship is fine?

All good here comrade, the fact that I'm watching TV from behind the couch doesn't mean a thing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:23 pm
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http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/pauline-hanson-links-halal-certification-to-terrorist-organisations-a-day-after-nationwide-anti-islam-protests/story-fns0jze1-1227291984380

It's very important that cogent views like this see the light of day. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:30 pm
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What exactly is it about a counter-protest that is against the principle of free speech?

The right-wing nutjobs wanted to have a protest (as is their right), and the socialists decided to protest that protest (as is their right). Play on.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:37 pm
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What exactly is it about a counter-protest that is against the principle of free speech?

The right-wing nutjobs wanted to have a protest (as is their right), and the socialists decided to protest that protest (as is their right). Play on.


Decided to stifle that protest, in other words censor it.

But yeah, your response is entirely to script according to the title of the thread.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:43 pm
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Evidently you've ignored nearly everything I've written on the subject on here for the past half a decade. I've often criticised people from the left abandoning the principle of free speech in order to silence "oppressive discourse". I just don't think a counter-protest is in any way equivalent to censorship, and I would say the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:47 pm
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Well then we disagree on that. I absolutely consider that a counter protest is a form of censorship when held in direct competition. If you want to make a point, do it next week. If you want to stifle opinions you disagree with, do it on the same day.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:50 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/pauline-hanson-links-halal-certification-to-terrorist-organisations-a-day-after-nationwide-anti-islam-protests/story-fns0jze1-1227291984380

It's very important that cogent views like this see the light of day. Wink


LOL. yep, example of dumb, but it wasn't censored. Wink Razz

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:53 pm
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What I see is two groups with diametrically opposing ideas protesting peacefully (for the most part).

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Reclaim Australia's John Oliver said it was wrong to label the group racist.
"We're not against any particular race or any particular religion," he said.
"We're against the extremists of one particular religion.

Ha ha kerplonk!

fwitw... What I object to is those hatefilled, ill-informed (say No to Sharia law???), hick, farktards wrapping themselves in the Australian flag as if THEY own it.
They don't!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:55 pm
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Where do you see is two groups with diametrically opposing ideas protesting peacefully for the most part?
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:58 pm
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3.14159 wrote:
What I see is two groups with diametrically opposing ideas protesting peacefully (for the most part).

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Reclaim Australia's John Oliver said it was wrong to label the group racist.
"We're not against any particular race or any particular religion," he said.
"We're against the extremists of one particular religion.

Ha ha kerplonk!

fwitw... What I object to is those hatefilled, ill-informed (say No to Sharia law???), hick, farktards wrapping themselves in the Australian flag as if THEY own it.
They don't!


So you're agreeing with the idea that it's OK to deliberately organise a counter protest to disrupt a protest that you disagree with, which is basically censorship.

Cheers mate. Razz Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:04 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Well then we disagree on that. I absolutely consider that a counter protest is a form of censorship when held in direct competition. If you want to make a point, do it next week. If you want to stifle opinions you disagree with, do it on the same day.


So, if you see a bunch of hippies walking down the street demanding that we ban cars and arrest people who eat meat, you're trampling on their freedom of speech if you yell out "**** off and get a job"?

I don't think it works like that.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:09 pm
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The left despises free speech, oh sure they make all the right noises, right up until someone disagrees with them and their views or even worse openly mocks and belittles them.

Then its a matter of rouse the mob and smash the dissenters, hunt them down online, get them fired and if the numbers are right then assault them. "Anti-fascists" are the real fascists.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:10 pm
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Well with the Government censoring the Internet.

That attack the Freedom of Speech

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:17 pm
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David wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Well then we disagree on that. I absolutely consider that a counter protest is a form of censorship when held in direct competition. If you want to make a point, do it next week. If you want to stifle opinions you disagree with, do it on the same day.


So, if you see a bunch of hippies walking down the street demanding that we ban cars and arrest people who eat meat, you're trampling on their freedom of speech if you yell out "**** off and get a job"?

I don't think it works like that.


No, but what if I round up whatever 3 times a bunch is and we all walk along with the hippies and yell that shit at them, intimidating them with pure numbers and vitriol?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:22 pm
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It's just useful feedback for them to know that their views aren't universally shared, surely?
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