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Pies4shaw 
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Enough about me, let's talk about the Pies. |
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David 
I dare you to try
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Your entire argument is predicated upon a misunderstanding. This bunch of folks didn't have an "opinion" they wanted to share, they had a prejudice they wanted to indulge. Stopping them from doing so isn't "censorship", it's pest control. |
Gentlemen! I give you exhibit A.
The prosecution rests Your Honour. |
I flagged the same principle with a leftie Muso I know. His response? "Attempted censorship of hate speech? Fine with me"
No argument from me, just don't try to claim high moral ground on the subject in the future. |
Random leftie musician doesn't speak for me, or necessarily for anyone else.
I get that there are views like that out there, but we all agreed on that at the beginning. It doesn't mean that all or even most left-wing people have a lack of commitment to freedom of expression. Some do, some don't.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Your entire argument is predicated upon a misunderstanding. This bunch of folks didn't have an "opinion" they wanted to share, they had a prejudice they wanted to indulge. Stopping them from doing so isn't "censorship", it's pest control. |
Gentlemen! I give you exhibit A.
The prosecution rests Your Honour. |
I flagged the same principle with a leftie Muso I know. His response? "Attempted censorship of hate speech? Fine with me"
No argument from me, just don't try to claim high moral ground on the subject in the future. |
Random leftie musician doesn't speak for me, or necessarily for anyone else.
I get that there are views like that out there, but we all agreed on that at the beginning. It doesn't mean that all or even most left-wing people have a lack of commitment to freedom of expression. Some do, some don't. |
I didn't say he spoke for you, neither obviously does Pies4shaw.
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Nick - Pie Man
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Oh for f-s sake. Socialist Alliance? Let me tell you about Socialist Alliance.
Fifteen years ago when I went to uni the first time around, SA were all over the place, promising revolutions and eating the babies of the rich and that sort of thing. You beauty! Bring it on! They held protests and said a lot of fine things about America, oil, Palestine, capitalists and every other thing that was responsible for all the ills of the world.
Fifteen years later, I'm back at uni. Guess what, SA are still at it with their fine rhetoric. Revolution this, America that. Blah blah fascism something something. What the actual f-. Where was the revolution they promised? Where was the stripping the assets of the rich man and moving him on with pockets empty?
Weak as piss, all talk, no balls. That's Socialist Alliance for you.
They prey on young kids who are, at best, idealistic idiots, filling their heads with meaningless rhetoric and garbage junk. Just like Islamic State, in fact. The only point of difference between the two organisations is that Islamic State have the testicular fortitude to do what they say they will do.
SA are just windbags.
In terms of comparing them to IS, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. But in every other respect, it is. They are stupid little children, gutless, cowards. All hat, no cattle. |
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Nick - Pie Man
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| They had fifteen f-ng years to deliver on their promises and they failed. Shame on you, Socialist Alliance. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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So, you and SA have some things in common then?  
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Jezza 
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| Nick - Pie Man wrote: | Oh for f-s sake. Socialist Alliance? Let me tell you about Socialist Alliance.
Fifteen years ago when I went to uni the first time around, SA were all over the place, promising revolutions and eating the babies of the rich and that sort of thing. You beauty! Bring it on! They held protests and said a lot of fine things about America, oil, Palestine, capitalists and every other thing that was responsible for all the ills of the world.
Fifteen years later, I'm back at uni. Guess what, SA are still at it with their fine rhetoric. Revolution this, America that. Blah blah fascism something something. What the actual f-. Where was the revolution they promised? Where was the stripping the assets of the rich man and moving him on with pockets empty?
Weak as piss, all talk, no balls. That's Socialist Alliance for you.
They prey on young kids who are, at best, idealistic idiots, filling their heads with meaningless rhetoric and garbage junk. Just like Islamic State, in fact. The only point of difference between the two organisations is that Islamic State have the testicular fortitude to do what they say they will do.
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Your post is music to my ears! The Socialist Alliance/Alternative are a joke.
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David
I dare you to try
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Nick, I think you'll find it's Socialist Alternative on most uni campuses. My understanding is that the Socialist Alliance are a different (older age demographic, more pro-China/USSR/Cuba) group that, unlike the Alternatives, tend to run in state, federal and council elections. The two organisations generally have stalls set up around the city in roughly equal numbers.
Now, as for the People's Front of Judea...
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pietillidie
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Is the American Fundamentalist Free Speech Cult still seeing demons, or have sane folk finally moved in to demythologise the religion for the 28th time this year?
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David
I dare you to try
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The problem here isn't an overly fundamentalist defence of the free speech principle, IMHO—it's an elementary misunderstanding of it.
The question of whether "oppressive" speech should be censored is still a live one, as far as I'm concerned. As much as I think these protests were sinister and extraordinarily stupid, I think we'd be going down a very dangerous path if we did try to suppress them.
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think positive
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I don't think you get this free speech thing 
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pietillidie
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| David wrote: | The problem here isn't an overly fundamentalist defence of the free speech principle, IMHO—it's an elementary misunderstanding of it.
The question of whether "oppressive" speech should be censored is still a live one, as far as I'm concerned. As much as I think these protests were sinister and extraordinarily stupid, I think we'd be going down a very dangerous path if we did try to suppress them. |
Even the thread title bears no relationship to the specifics of the original incident, so of course it has the same old nonsense in mind: It's okay for monied protectionists to have more speech by purchasing access to powerful decision makers and the attention of the populous, and stifling other people's critical speech with both tacit and overt legal and economic threat, but it's not okay for the unmonied and unwashed to interrupt violent, stress-causing, hate-amplifying rabid speech that wins elections for monied protectionists.
I am no fan of either group for different reasons, but that's irrelevant to the sociological reality of "speech" as actually sanctioned. The incident itself was about the angry disenfranchised on both sides finding release.
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3.14159
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| David wrote: | | The question of whether "oppressive" speech should be censored is still a live one, as far as I'm concerned. As much as I think these protests were sinister and extraordinarily stupid, I think we'd be going down a very dangerous path if we did try to suppress them. |
I beg to differ!
In England in 1936 it was protesters that halted Mosley's attempt to send England into alliance with Hitler's Germany.
Life isn't about siding pondering your navel while hateful thugs try and derail democracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street
Censorship?
If you want to talk censorship and fear mongering you could worse than start with the Joseph McCarthy communist witch-hunts and black-listing of anyone even vaguely connected to anything Un-American!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee
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