Thomas, Keeffe reportedly test positive perf enhancing drugs

hot pie · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Location: Buderim Queensland

Would love to hope you are right John W

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

thebaldfacts · Joined: 02 Aug 2007

As expected, a confirmed positive.

Guess their careers now rest with the tribunal. If they get 12 months, then missing 2015 year means that they can try resurrecting their careers next year.

If they get 2 years, doubt that the Pies will keep them on the list and play 2 short next year as well.

Let's hope the tribunal hears this quickly.

Golden Gordon · Joined: 06 May 2015 Location: Victoria Park

Boy it took forever to get that B sample result. It is almost always positive. Sad, but in this case the rules are the rules and either Thomas and Keefe were cheats or they are plain stupid. In any case sayonara boys.

This is a perfect time for the club to make a stand on drugs in football. I don't want them back any time soon. The club should sack them immediately and state categorically that no matter how long their penalty they are not welcome back at Collingwood. Harsh, but just!

Golden Gordon · Joined: 06 May 2015 Location: Victoria Park

mudlark · Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Location: Maroochydore Qld

makri · Joined: 29 Oct 2005 Location: Clifton Hill

If the alleged story doing the rounds is true (not going to repeat it) on how the prohibited substance came to be in their systems hopefully they cop the maximum and never step foot inside Collingwood ever again.

Playing any sport at the top level is a privilege and not a right.

Wokko · Come and take it. Joined: 04 Oct 2005

Hope they make it back if it was an accidental, party related incident and not attempted cheating. Still need to cop their ban on the chin and work their arses off to stay fit and healthy during their time off.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Agree. And I hope that if it was, then they feel quite free to admit it. People can make up their own minds about such things, but deliberate cheating is on another level entirely. If they're guilty of the latter, then I don't really care what happens to them; if it's happened accidentally, no matter what the circumstances, then I want them to fight this to the bitter end.

AN_Inkling · Joined: 06 Oct 2007

Some of the comments in this thread seem over the top. I'll never understand the extreme reactions against those who take drugs, or even drug dealers for that matter. There's much worse a person can do, and I have a far greater issue with any crime against a person (Marley's for instance) than I do against drug taking.

Mugwump · Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne

^ Inkling, it depends on the drugs, but in general I agree. Drug dealing in crystal meth, or heroin, is a crime for those with no conscience.

In JT and LK's case, if they ingested it unintentionally while doing the kind of stupid thing that we all did when we were 21, then I think a 12 month ban should be tops. In principle, I don't think accidental ingestion through taking an illicit party drug is differnt from accidental ingestion through some other method. Yes, it's against the law, and a bit reckless, but the intent to cheat, or recklessness with the knowledge of probable consequence, is the issue of principle, here.

think positive · Side By Side Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere

We all need to take a breath.

If they really do believe this was something out of their control, then they need to tell their story, and yes, if found guilty, appeal even if there is no chance or a reprieve. Just for the sake of their reputations.

If they are guilty of stupidity in anyway, ie taking something that had it mixed in, then take the whack, be honest, yes I think they need to be sacked, but if they can spend the time on suspension proving they are clean, keeping their fitness and skills up, be seen to be sorry, and do the right thing generally, I'm all for giving them another chance.

If they did it to get an unfair advantage, I never want to see them again.

More than likely, their careers are over, and they will now need to bare the stigma, disappointment, and loss of income. If it was party drugs I'm angry they took that risk. They will pay a terrible price, but it could be much worse. They are alive, not facing a firing squad, and their brains are not mushed by drugs. I'm disappointed, and still shocked. But I really hope they come out the other side in one peice, mentally, and physically.

think positive · Side By Side Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere

AN_Inkling · Joined: 06 Oct 2007

This is taking us a little off track but a couple of things:

On drug dealers: yes, they deal in terrible substances that wreck lives and essentially profit off the misery of others, but they are selling something that people want, there isn't any coercion here. They're hardly any different to tobacco companies or the alcohol industry.

Drug takers: putting aside anything they may do while under the influence which can directly effect others, they are really committing a crime against themselves. To me it's closer to self harming than anything the rest of the community should be angry about.

And if we look at the bigger picture, a problem with drugs says less about the drug takers or dealers themselves and more about the society which breeds them. Drugs are bad, they ruin lives, break apart families, damage communities, but they are not the problem, eliminate drugs overnight and the underlying issues would still exist and past users would simply find some other method of self destruction.