The gender pay gap

think positive · Side By Side Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere

See a lot of gut hanging out men propped on shovels too!

Bucks5 · Nicky D - Parting the red sea Joined: 23 Mar 2002

There seem to be at least two guys hanging around each girl on worksites. If she is blonde then it is 3 or 4.

Skids · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:06 am

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Hard to imagine how she couldn't have succeeded, with such supportive colleagues...

Skids · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 4:34 pm

Supportive colleagues? She was gifted the job even though she had no experience in the role and hadn't even worked in a supervisory role. Should never have been appointed and only was because of her gender.

Oh don't worry, they'll invent some new role, maybe Superintendent of internal.communications or something along those lines, offer her a 10% pay increase and beg her to stay.

Bucks5 · Nicky D - Parting the red sea Joined: 23 Mar 2002

This came up in my twitter feed.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1746515707360088486

So the gender pay gap is purely based on annual salaries so it stands to reason that women will collectively earn less as they usually elect to work part time particularly while their children are growing up

stui magpie · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:58 pm

Choosing statistics that support the outcome you prefer? That never happens.

Wink

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Wait, is that David Leyonhjelm? Must be a pretty old clip – he hasn't been in office since pre-COVID times.

This is one of those debates that I'm puzzled by, as it mostly seems to consist of two groups of people talking past one another: one pointing out that men on average earn more than women, and the other that men and women receive equal pay for equal work.

If we can accept that both of those things are simultaneously true and put all the rhetoric to one side, then at least we're starting from the same factual basis – in which case, the question just becomes how each of those facts is relevant to what's being discussed, and that, given there is a gap, what (if anything) we should be doing to rectify it.

I think there are non-trivial reasons to conclude that it is a problem (whether it be structural discrimination in the sense of men being chosen over women for promotions due to gender bias, female-dominated industries being undervalued, or simply mothers as opposed to fathers having more financial insecurity due to taking on the primary parenting role). For me, that's where the main battleground should be, not silly bickering on both sides over whether or not there is a thing called a "wage gap" that exists to begin with.

Skids · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:49 am

There certainly is a gender gap. 97% of deaths in the workplace are males.
Two thirds of suicides are male. 60% of the homeless are males. 95% of prisoners are male.

Culprit · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne

Homeless women in their 50s are the fastest-growing statistic in the past few years.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Bucks5 · Nicky D - Parting the red sea Joined: 23 Mar 2002

If the gender pay gap is attributed to mothers/women electing to work part time, the only fix is to pay them the same as males who work full time with overtime - which would have disastrous consequences.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

^ There are actually quite a few other more practical solutions, for instance: improving childcare funding and rebates to make it easier for women to return to work earlier; encouraging more fathers to share a more hands-on parenting role by increasing paternity leave provisions; and addressing other issues that tend to cause a wage gap in higher-earning brackets such as salary transparency.

stui magpie · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:11 pm

^

There's a hell of a lot more to it than just more women choosing to work part time, lots of which I'm sure was covered earlier in the thread. A large contributing factor is the number of occupations that predominantly employ women that are poorly paid.

And what about the number of women who choose not to work after having kids because their partner earns enough that they don't have to.

Simply pulling a set of numbers together without proper context and huffing and puffing about there being a gender pay gap and we need to fix it is, IMHO, just virtue signalling bullshit and finger pointing.

A good starting point would be to increase wages of front line people working in child care/kinders but since most of the money comes from the state governments, it's easier to huff and puff and point the finger at large corporates.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Where I tend to agree is that "the wage gap" is just a slogan, and that any serious approach to the issue should be drilling down into the statistics further and finding areas where there are specific problems that need to be addressed.

Having said that, sometimes people need simplistic slogans to get interested in something in the first place.