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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:23 pm
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Nah, just morons, DTM. You don't have to be a snob to vote that way - but you do need to have a limited understanding of the world.


Well that would Explain a bit what happens in Shitney Very Happy


Don't believe it Dave, only a moron would really believe that around 50% of the population are morons for voting for a particular political party.

If anything, the NSW election proves that people aren't as stupid as politicians seem to think. The Lib bloke ran a campaign detailing what he intended to do, selling off some assets for one, and gave good information about his proposals.

Labor and the Unions ran a scare campaign short on facts and detail and long on rhetoric (promising that if Labor got elected in NSW Abbot would be sacked on Monday) and people saw through them. There's a lesson in that for Bill Shorten.

Basically around 40 % of people these days are inclined toward voting Liberal/National and the same Labor Greens. That leaves close to 20% of people as swinging voters, prepared to vote based on the issues at the time rather than pure ideology.

The smartest thing you can do if you're going to follow politics is is to read information from all sides of the spectrum, get acquainted with the issues and what different sides say about them, and make up your own mind. If you simply decide to follow a political party like a football team, you're doing yourself a dis service.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:30 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Nah, just morons, DTM. You don't have to be a snob to vote that way - but you do need to have a limited understanding of the world.


Well that would Explain a bit what happens in Shitney Very Happy


Don't believe it Dave, only a moron would really believe that around 50% of the population are morons for voting for a particular political party.

If anything, the NSW election proves that people aren't as stupid as politicians seem to think. The Lib bloke ran a campaign detailing what he intended to do, selling off some assets for one, and gave good information about his proposals.

Labor and the Unions ran a scare campaign short on facts and detail and long on rhetoric (promising that if Labor got elected in NSW Abbot would be sacked on Monday) and people saw through them. There's a lesson in that for Bill Shorten.

Basically around 40 % of people these days are inclined toward voting Liberal/National and the same Labor Greens. That leaves close to 20% of people as swinging voters, prepared to vote based on the issues at the time rather than pure ideology.

The smartest thing you can do if you're going to follow politics is is to read information from all sides of the spectrum, get acquainted with the issues and what different sides say about them, and make up your own mind. If you simply decide to follow a political party like a football team, you're doing yourself a dis service.


Well, You have to look at the Idiot Abbott.

Then he did the same thing as the Labor Party did as you said. Attacked Gillard and Rudd. Help from there Mate Rupert Murdoch and that worked.

Well IF Abbot got sacked then we have someone just as bad as Bloody Michael Turnball Evil or Very Mad

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:16 pm
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Not too upset about Baird winning. Probably the best State Liberal leader in the country up against the worst, most corrupt and cynical state Labor Party (and a particularly unappealing leader, to boot). The mirror image of the Queensland election with their scum of the earth Coalition and mostly harmless ALP.

Based on the issues, I would have sided with Labor, just—not much of a fan of privatisation—but no problems with Baird getting another term. As much as I would have loved to see the fallout for Abbott if another first-term State Liberal Government had been voted out. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:36 pm
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David wrote:
I would have loved to see the fallout for Abbott if another first-term State Liberal Government had been voted out. Laughing


My guess is they'd find him a job more suited to his talents!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:14 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Nah, just morons, DTM. You don't have to be a snob to vote that way - but you do need to have a limited understanding of the world.


Well that would Explain a bit what happens in Shitney Very Happy


Don't believe it Dave, only a moron would really believe that around 50% of the population are morons for voting for a particular political party.

If anything, the NSW election proves that people aren't as stupid as politicians seem to think. The Lib bloke ran a campaign detailing what he intended to do, selling off some assets for one, and gave good information about his proposals.

Labor and the Unions ran a scare campaign short on facts and detail and long on rhetoric (promising that if Labor got elected in NSW Abbot would be sacked on Monday) and people saw through them. There's a lesson in that for Bill Shorten.

Basically around 40 % of people these days are inclined toward voting Liberal/National and the same Labor Greens. That leaves close to 20% of people as swinging voters, prepared to vote based on the issues at the time rather than pure ideology.

The smartest thing you can do if you're going to follow politics is is to read information from all sides of the spectrum, get acquainted with the issues and what different sides say about them, and make up your own mind. If you simply decide to follow a political party like a football team, you're doing yourself a dis service.

Well-said Stui! Completely agree 100%

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:00 am
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Jezza wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Nah, just morons, DTM. You don't have to be a snob to vote that way - but you do need to have a limited understanding of the world.


Well that would Explain a bit what happens in Shitney Very Happy


Don't believe it Dave, only a moron would really believe that around 50% of the population are morons for voting for a particular political party.

If anything, the NSW election proves that people aren't as stupid as politicians seem to think. The Lib bloke ran a campaign detailing what he intended to do, selling off some assets for one, and gave good information about his proposals.

Labor and the Unions ran a scare campaign short on facts and detail and long on rhetoric (promising that if Labor got elected in NSW Abbot would be sacked on Monday) and people saw through them. There's a lesson in that for Bill Shorten.

Basically around 40 % of people these days are inclined toward voting Liberal/National and the same Labor Greens. That leaves close to 20% of people as swinging voters, prepared to vote based on the issues at the time rather than pure ideology.

The smartest thing you can do if you're going to follow politics is is to read information from all sides of the spectrum, get acquainted with the issues and what different sides say about them, and make up your own mind. If you simply decide to follow a political party like a football team, you're doing yourself a dis service.

Well-said Stui! Completely agree 100%

The reality is nothing like Stui's claims at all, Dave. When it comes to voting, a huge percentage of the population behave like complete morons, often giving it less thought and consideration than buying a new toaster, and far less than buying a new TV or computer.

Most folk have pre-existing political preferences, and that mixes with what they imagine—usually on the basis of very little research—will provide themselves economic gain and economic security. The "swing" voters Stui referred to are just as limited; in fact, often more limited because they may only care about one or two issues. Some are not political and don't care; some pretend to be swing voters when they're not, to give the impression they're balanced when they're not; and others are still trying to work out which party will benefit them more financially, so they are actually unsure. But the idea that this group is particularly thoughtful or balanced is a laughable fiction.

Most of the other issues people debate, including us on Nick's, are in fact a cover for people's pre-determined voting intentions. The asylum seeker issue last election, for example, was debated furiously, but it was just a tactic of exaggerating the pre-existing false belief that newcomers take financial value away from people. Stacks of people still think immigration makes their economic situation worse by taking away jobs, lowering house values in their area, or using their services, when no serious economic study has ever found that to be true because newcomers also produce value over time.

So, Abbott won their vote by playing to their misunderstanding of economics, and indeed creating more misunderstanding for them, and then mixing that up with ugly, paranoid racism and hatred, giving that economic misunderstanding a negative emotional charge.

Others were always going to vote for Abbott for different economic reasons, such as middle-class handouts, protection of their investments in mining, and better tax rates for themselves. But because they didn't want to sound openly selfish, and because they wanted to convince others to vote in a way that benefited themselves, they focused on asylum seekers and pretended to be interested in that topic.

So, that's how it really works, Dave. Most political discussion is about people finding an alibi or an excuse for simply voting selfishly, hiding their real intentions because socially it's embarrassing for people to admit they only care about themselves. The problem is, many people mistakenly think something is financially better for themselves, only to discover later they were wrong, or the politician was lying.

The trick in my view, Dave, is to try to find a way of benefitting yourself and the rest of the country at the same time. But that's not easy to do with so few political parties, and most people aren't flexible enough to adjust the way they make money in order to enable themselves to find a balance between their own income/wealth, and the country's income/wealth. So, in the end, most people make up nonsense stories to convince themselves that their own personal economic benefit is also a benefit for the rest of the country, when that's often not the case.

It's extremely hard not to do that, but at least we can have a go and try to be honest with ourselves and others.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:41 am
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Get ready for a rise in the GST. The sucker campaign has begun.
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Tony Abbott - August 9, 2013
On August 11, at a press conference at Sydney's Bondi Beach:
Question: "Mr Abbott, Julie Bishop said on TV that... you would have to do both raising taxes and cutting spending to bring the budget back to black.
What taxes do you propose to raise?"
Mr Abbott: "The only party that will raise taxes after the election is the Labor Party."
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On August 16, 2011 Mr Abbott said: "A very clear message is going out from the Australian people to this government:
there can be no tax collection without an election.
If this government had any honesty, any decency, that is what we would have: an election now."

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Tony Abbott again...
August 22, 2011.
"It is an absolute principle of democracy that governments should not and must not say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards. Nothing could be more calculated to bring our democracy into disrepute and alienate the citizenry of Australia from their government than if governments were to establish by precedent that they say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards."

This is a man who's "word" is worth less than zero! twice.

He is a snake-oil selling dog whistler and an embarrassment to this Country!

It's time the LNP put the countries needs above the Party's hubris and admit they got it (him) wrong!
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Happy Easter Tone,

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/06/coalitions-primary-support-in-wa-sinks-to-14-year-low-newspoll-analysis-reveals

Lowest Coalition standings in a poll in W.A for 14 years.
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Great to see the Hippies Green are not Different then the Libs.

They screw the most Needed and help the Rich Coperates get away with Tax Evasion

https://www.facebook.com/BillShorten/photos/a.466317820071451.94571.464998863536680/815276568508906/?type=1

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Dave, I'd advise against reading Bill Shorten's Facebook page. If the dull-as-dishwater propaganda doesn't get you, the dad jokes will.

Still, it must be nice for him to have the moral high ground on something for five seconds.

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Dave, I'd advise against reading Bill Shorten's Facebook page. If the dull-as-dishwater propaganda doesn't get you, the dad jokes will.

Still, it must be nice for him to have the moral high ground on something for five seconds.


Well - IF that is the Case.

You don’t believe anything the Idiots say from Government House as it’s all Crap and Properganda.

Then you think people should get less or lose there Pensions then Evil or Very Mad

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Wealthier people who can afford it, sure. The pension is essentially a welfare payment, so I don't see why it shouldn't be means-tested.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-02/pension-scale-back-breakthrough-solution-for-senate-impasse/6367152

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:16 pm
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Do you want to hear a joke?
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David wrote:
Wealthier people who can afford it, sure. The pension is essentially a welfare payment, so I don't see why it shouldn't be means-tested.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-02/pension-scale-back-breakthrough-solution-for-senate-impasse/6367152


Well - They let the Mega Rich People and Companies can get away pay next to no tax.

So the Gutless Wonders in Government make the Less Fortunate pay for it instead.

I agree it should not be Means-Tested but As I explained Above

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