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Neil Appleby
Joined: 11 Feb 1998 Location: Melbourne
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Article in The Age today from Martin Flanagan.
What makes the Magpies tick
7.30 am, Wednesday, a meeting of the Collingwood coaches at Westpac Centre. Twelve people in the room, three Brownlow Medals, five premierships. Nathan Buckley presides over the meeting in a relaxed manner.
He's agreed to talk to me and I always enjoy our conversations. Recently, the Barcelona soccer player Xavi said, "Ninety five per cent of people like soccer and two per cent understand it
the game is complicated." Over the past year or two, I have felt I understand AFL footy less. How, for example, do you understand Hawthorn's thumping of Sydney in last year's grand final?
More: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/what-makes-the-magpies-tick-20150130-1312x2.html _________________ After the epic draw comes the decisive knockout!
Collingwood rules the world again and Mick Malthouse fulfils his destiny with the twenty ten premiership and can you hear the people sing! |
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Neil Appleby
Joined: 11 Feb 1998 Location: Melbourne
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In an article full of insights, the most interesting for me was the analysis of Heath Shaw's impact on the game-plan. _________________ After the epic draw comes the decisive knockout!
Collingwood rules the world again and Mick Malthouse fulfils his destiny with the twenty ten premiership and can you hear the people sing! |
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roar
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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Good article, though it's a bit depressing reading the way football is going (has gone). _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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droversdog65
Joined: 27 Nov 2014
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Agreed Neil, individualism is no longer tolerable because the determiner between anticipation and successful execution is predictability - not to the opposition but within the team psychology. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Neil Appleby wrote: | In an article full of insights, the most interesting for me was the analysis of Heath Shaw's impact on the game-plan. |
That is a quite fascinating aspect to consider Neil.
A view from the coaching panel. I wonder how that came up in conversation - Did the MF ask Bucks about Heater & if so how was that question framed?
I wonder if that in part is "post transfer" rationalising too.
Nevertheless, an interesting observation of the individual vs team approach.
This then raises the question put by others that Bucks may sacrifice acts of individual brilliance to homogenize a blander team approach.
Thanks for posting. _________________ âI even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didnât keep âem under long enoughâ Kinky Friedman |
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Bob Sugar
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 Location: Benalla
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droversdog65 wrote: | Agreed Neil, individualism is no longer tolerable because the determiner between anticipation and successful execution is predictability - not to the opposition but within the team psychology. |
Now we just need to score more than 10 goals a game. _________________ Defender...........
On the day before the first, Daicos created God.
You like this. |
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Stinger
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: Canberra
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droversdog65 wrote: | Agreed Neil, individualism is no longer tolerable because the determiner between anticipation and successful execution is predictability - not to the opposition but within the team psychology. |
It is a team game and why teams' that have a core of experienced players that have played together and know the ins and outs of each others' game generally are the successful teams. |
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droversdog65
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Agreed Stinger, the synergy that takes away uncertainty. So long as it doesn't lead to predictability is one of the defining characteristics of a great side. |
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Warbler
Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Location: Tyaak Vic
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I'll never look at a game the same way again !!!
GO PIES |
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Joined: 05 May 2010
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Stinger wrote: | droversdog65 wrote: | Agreed Neil, individualism is no longer tolerable because the determiner between anticipation and successful execution is predictability - not to the opposition but within the team psychology. |
It is a team game and why teams' that have a core of experienced players that have played together and know the ins and outs of each others' game generally are the successful teams. |
its also why injuries derail a team to an even greater extent than the talent lost. Backlines in particular rely on a stable back 6 that get to play side-by-side over an extended peiod of time. Its no coincidence that we had a very stable back 6 in our premiership year.
Brown, Reid, Toovey, Maxwell, Lumumba and Shaw. That 6 played nearly every game and knew what each other was going to do almost instinctively. _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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"we stuck to our structures, our systems and processes ..." _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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Woods
Joined: 21 Aug 2013 Location: Melbourne
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Anybody have any idea what "Mid-block (2) = 2 march UC" might mean, and the other keywords "squeeze, slide, sag, layers, wraps".
(I'd like to be able to post seemingly pithy and insightful comments in the Collingwood lingua franca that give the impression that I and Buckley share a common mindset.
Would also be good to be able to shout to players from the boundary line helpful tips such as, 'Hey Cloke! You've gotta slide that mid-block and sag his knackers!') |
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Stupied
Joined: 14 Mar 2013
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E wrote: | Stinger wrote: | droversdog65 wrote: | Agreed Neil, individualism is no longer tolerable because the determiner between anticipation and successful execution is predictability - not to the opposition but within the team psychology. |
It is a team game and why teams' that have a core of experienced players that have played together and know the ins and outs of each others' game generally are the successful teams. |
its also why injuries derail a team to an even greater extent than the talent lost. Backlines in particular rely on a stable back 6 that get to play side-by-side over an extended peiod of time. Its no coincidence that we had a very stable back 6 in our premiership year.
Brown, Reid, Toovey, Maxwell, Lumumba and Shaw. That 6 played nearly every game and knew what each other was going to do almost instinctively. |
Brown only played 13 games including the two Grand Finals that year, so less than half a season.
Presti was the man who had the most synergy with the other 5, we were just lucky that Brown was able to step up and negate the loss of our best stopper. |
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rand corp
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: south east asia
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One of the best paper writers going around is Flanagan.
Does the human / personal story and does nostalgia really well.
It is a good read and a good insight into the club and on Bux.
Bux really does come across as extremely committed highly knowledgeable and insightful on matters concerning the game.
The game is always changing and is certainly more professional and analyzed than at any other time. The great individual performances are not as regular nor performed by as many as before but, they are still there and still make our game special.
When I started going to the football, players still worked 9 to 5 jobs, many smoked cigarettes, loved a big drink, the notion of team work often involved merely helping each other to get it out to or kick it to your best player.
The negating and defensive side of the game was not really there, backmen manned up and took on a forward one on one, often trying to out mark him rather than spoil, you were either better than your opponent or you ended up getting moved off him on to someone else. If you got a hiding you probably got dropped the next week, if you were really terrible you got dragged and could not return to the field, (no interchange in those days).
If you were fitter and faster than the other bloke it might have been because you had a more forgiving boss, who let you off earlier for more training than the other bloke. It might have been because he smoked but in the 60's and 70's we were not so sure of that.
These were also the days when a club could still uncover the prized country recruit, uncorrupted by city ways, fit as a Mallee Bull, who could be unveiled and kick 5 or 6 in his first game! Impossible now but very possible 40 or 50 years ago.
Full forwards were mostly left one out and had a stardom an aura like that of a modern day striker in the English Premier League. McKenna (Coll), Hudson (Haw) , Wade (Geel), Blethem (Ess), Young (St.K) where like pop stars, (in McKenna's case he actually released a couple of singles).
I loved the game then and I love it still, the current game is the result of teams spending over 100 years seeking to improve and be better than their opponent, it is now an elite sport and I am in awe of the sacrifice, effort and ability of the young players. Anyone who makes it is now a star in my book and the great players are truly worthy of the riches they can achieve in reward.
You just have to think about the sort of commitment these kids have to show even as 14 and 15 year olds to want a career in football, for many the die has been cast long before they are eligible for any draft, many are washed up at 16 and very, very few are able to breakthrough past 18 or 19.
It might not be the same but it is something very special. |
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droversdog65
Joined: 27 Nov 2014
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Top post Rand, the game has grown up and those who will not appreciate that - both sportsman and spectator - will be left languishing in the '60's. |
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