| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: |  |
|
Question for all.
A workplace has a bank of Casual employees they call in when needed, if the employer is calling up Australian Residents 1stly before calling workers on 457's would that be fair or unfair? |
|
|
|
 |
Wokko 
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| 1061 wrote: | Question for all.
A workplace has a bank of Casual employees they call in when needed, if the employer is calling up Australian Residents 1stly before calling workers on 457's would that be fair or unfair? |
457 Visas are meant to cover skill shortages, so if there are enough Australians to meet labor demand then they should always come first. So, fair. |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Wokko wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | Question for all.
A workplace has a bank of Casual employees they call in when needed, if the employer is calling up Australian Residents 1stly before calling workers on 457's would that be fair or unfair? |
457 Visas are meant to cover skill shortages, so if there are enough Australians to meet labor demand then they should always come first. So, fair. |
OK so in a workplace where immigrants who are now Permanent Residents call up people from a similar background to theirs who are currently on 457's first before Australia Residents?
Is that fair or unfair? |
|
|
|
|
Tannin 
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Unfair, of course.
_________________
�Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
|
|
|
|
Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Nepotism among a religious or ethnic group? Never!
Grossly unfair. |
|
|
|
|
stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
|
| Post subject: | |
|
I CBF going to the department of immigration website and checking the rules, but I didn't think that people were able to be employed as a casual on a 457 Visa. In order to be able to get the visa and a job in the first place there is supposed to be a process that can demonstrate that there's no Aussies available and able to do the work, and then there's a legislated minimum amount they need to earn annually, which is bloody hard to guarantee if they're casual.
_________________
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
|
|
|
|
stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
|
| Post subject: | |
|
^
None of those links were for casual jobs, all for either full or part time.
The first link had multiple vacancies only 1 of which was available to a 457 visa holder and only then in the circumstances you quoted - no suitable local candidates.
The fact that some shonky cnuts rort a government program is not exactly earth shaking news. Again, FWIW here's a link to some info about how the 457 visa program is intended to work.
https://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/457.aspx
I know where I work, when we advertise jobs online we have a small questionnaire people have to complete, the declarations. One of them is that we ask people to certify that they have the right to live and work in Australia. The number of applicants from India and China who say that they do, but list their home address as Mumbai or Shanghai is ridiculous.
_________________
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
You going to tell me there's no Hair Dressers or Apprentice Bakers in Australia?
I thought 457's were for jobs that could not be filled by Aussies!
It's a $£$%^%%$ rort. |
|
|
|
|
stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Did you $£$%^%%$ read what I wrote?
Just to spoon feed you, you may have missed this bit in what I said..
| Quote: | | The fact that some shonky cnuts rort a government program is not exactly earth shaking news. |
If you're that pissed off about it, report the ads to the department of immigration instead of sooking here. FMD.
_________________
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Lets face it I'm more likely to get something done about it here than reporting it! |
|
|
|
|
John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| stui magpie wrote: | ^
None of those links were for casual jobs, all for either full or part time.
The first link had multiple vacancies only 1 of which was available to a 457 visa holder and only then in the circumstances you quoted - no suitable local candidates.
The fact that some shonky cnuts rort a government program is not exactly earth shaking news. Again, FWIW here's a link to some info about how the 457 visa program is intended to work.
https://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/457.aspx
I know where I work, when we advertise jobs online we have a small questionnaire people have to complete, the declarations. One of them is that we ask people to certify that they have the right to live and work in Australia. The number of applicants from India and China who say that they do, but list their home address as Mumbai or Shanghai is ridiculous. |
at my last job i established the employer as a small business sponsor for the 457 visa. in practice, i had to engage a migration agent and pay a considerable fee for this (to the agent and the government).
you are required to provide evidence of job descriptions and the salary (i.e. employment contract of someone in that or a similar role) for the role you cannot fill locally. the role must be paid at market rates so any 457 visa candidate you appoint will be paid similarly to a local.
_________________
Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Then it looks like we have a hairdresser shortage! |
|
|
|
|
stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Maybe we do have a hairdresser shortage, or maybe we just have an employer rorting a system.
Just to be clear, whatever the current state of the 457 visa legislation is, you have Labor to thank/blame as they had 8 years in the seat and the Libs haven't (to my knowledge) changed a thing in that area.
_________________
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Which is why I tweeted that ad to Mitchell |
|
|
|
|
|
The Rules
FAQ
Usergroups
Calendar
Search
Log in
Register
