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David

I dare you to try

Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:40 pm

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The only non-Christian sources are Josephus and Tacitus, from memory.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus

Apparently nearly all historical scholars nowadays believe that Jesus existed:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

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Many proponents use a three-fold argument first developed in the 19th century that the New Testament has no historical value, there are no non-Christian references to Jesus Christ from the first century, and that Christianity had pagan and/or mythical roots.

Despite arguments put forward by authors who have questioned the existence of a historical Jesus, there remains a nearly universal consensus agreement in historical-critical biblical scholarship that Jesus lived. However, certain scholars, particularly in Europe, have recently made the case that while there are a number of plausible "Jesuses" that could have existed, there can be no certainty as to which Jesus was the historical Jesus, and that there should also be more scholarly research and debate on this topic. The two main events agreed upon by most biblical scholars are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.

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What'sinaname Libra

Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:49 pm
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God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet. I guess too many are living in a material world and are just a material girl. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman.

think positive Libra

Side By Side

Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Location: somewhere

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:01 pm
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Actually there's a lot more material men that girls here! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!

HAL

Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.

Joined: 17 Mar 2003

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:04 pm
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Tell me a story.

What'sinaname Libra

Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:09 pm

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think positive wrote:

Actually there's a lot more material men that girls here!

yeah, but it would be weird if Madonna sang I'm a material man Shocked

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David

I dare you to try

Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:30 pm

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What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

I guess too many are living in a material world and are just a material girl.

Even if such a being exists, who says there's a pay off? And what if the "prize" for connecting with him is eternal damnation?

I'm a material girl and proud of it. Smile

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
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Tannin Capricorn

Can't remember

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:52 pm

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What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

But which god?

The B�bist god? The Azali god? The Bah�'�' god? The Calvinist god? The Congregational god? The Moravian god? The Pentecostal god? The Presbyterian god? The Quaker god? The Assyrian Christian god? The Maronite god? The Eastern Orthodox god? The Russian Orthodox god? The Oriental Orthodox god? The Coptic Orthodox god? The Ethiopian Orthodox god? The Syriac Orthodox god? The Arian god? The Christadelphian god? The Gnostic god? The Christian Science god? The Jehovah's Witnesses god? The Seventh Day Adventist god? The Rastafarian god? The Unitarian god? The Mormon god? The Yazidi god? The Gnostic god? The Manichaeist god? The Shia god? The Zaidiyyah god? The Sufism god? The Sunni god? The Moorish Orthodox god? The Druze god? The Orthodox Judaic god? The Catholic god? The Hasidic Judaic god? The Samaritan god? The Buddhist god? The Zen god? The Hindu god? The Yazidi god? The Confucian god? The Shinto god? The Anglican god? The Taoist god? The Falun Gong god? The Bushongo god? The Akamba god? The Dinka god? The Masai god? The Khoisan god? The Cherokee god? The Hopi god? The Iroquois god? The Navajo god? The Benzhuist god? The Tooth Fairy? The Maori god? The Canaanite god? The Sumerian god? The Lutheran god? The Methodist god? The Mithraist god? The Orphism god? The Pythagoreanism god? The Baptist god? The Uralic god? The Estonian polytheist god? The Hindu mystic god? The Rosicrucian god? The Voodoo god? The Wiccan god? The Neopagan god? The god of Scientology? The Christian Science god? The Satanist god? The Luciferianist god?

Pick any one. The right one, mind you - pick the wrong one and you are going straight to Hell. Your odds are only 987 to one against. What are you waiting for?
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Tannin Capricorn

Can't remember

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:05 pm

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What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

And in fact, of course, the "pay off" is zero, zip, nada, while the "free" bet costs you and the rest of humanity endless thousands of years of ignorance, war, guilt, misery, conflict, and wasted lives. Summary: picking a god is the biggest sucker bet of all time. Advice: buy a bridge. It's cheaper and you've got a much better chance of getting the expected payoff.
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What'sinaname Libra

Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:44 pm

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Tannin wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

And you highlight the problem. God is supposed to be what an individual believes not what others want / force you to believe through their preaching or even the multiple versions of the bible. My God wears a Collingwood jumper, but was busy on some important Saturdays in September, such as, an not limited to 1970, 1977, 2002, 03, 11. He also wields a really cool broadsword and wears plate armour and has a Lego Vitrovius beard going on.
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stui magpie Gemini

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:01 pm

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Tannin wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

Ahem. You forgot one. Razz

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What'sinaname Libra

Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:16 pm

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stui magpie wrote:

Tannin wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

Ahem. You forgot one. Razz

Bucks ain't there yet, and Eddie hates it when we call him a God. Malty was our last God, but we re-wrote our Bible to portray him as Beelzebub.
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3.14159 Taurus

Joined: 12 Sep 2009

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:35 pm

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David wrote:

Indeed. The revelation that the book was essentially a comically overwrought allegory for an imagined downfall of the Roman Empire circa 70 AD�and not, as I had been taught, a prophecy of things to come within my lifetime�pretty much brought down the whole house of cards for me as a 15 year old. That was the moment that I realised that the Bible couldn't be divinely inspired fact.

I lost interest when god told Adam and Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit!
I mean what kind of benevolent god would do that to 2 lovers in paradise?

~~~(Warning, the following is laced with (some) irony)

Christians say God created man in "his" image.

If that's true then God is a greedy, jealous, petty minded, mean spirited, masochistic, misogynist that is only ever content spoiling "his" creations happiness!!!

Personally I reckon he (WE) should admit defeat, go back to the drawing board and put the creation of the world up for public tender!!!

watt price tully Scorpio

Joined: 15 May 2007

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:04 pm
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�If it turns out that there is a God...the worst that you can say about him is that basically he's an underachiever.� ― Woody Allen _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman

Wokko

Come and take it.

Joined: 04 Oct 2005

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:22 pm
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I see nothing redeeming about the Abrahamic God that would make me think it is worthy of respect, let alone worship. I see a jealous, evil, vindictive being that we should fight against with whatever power we have against it. Jesus might've been good PR, but God lets the cat out of the bag with Revelation. I'll take the Anglo-Saxon/Norse Gods anyday, at least they're all fighting on our side at Ragnarok, not damning us to eternity of pain and suffering.

Tannin Capricorn

Can't remember

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:16 pm

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stui magpie wrote:

Tannin wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:

God might or might not exist, but, on the off chance that He does, why wouldn't you want to connect with Him? You have a free bet with a massive pay off and still some refuse to take the bet.

Ahem. You forgot one. Razz

No I didn't. You are listed right there. (If your omniscience is away at the dry cleaners today, try looking between the Benzhuist god and the Maori god.)
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