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think positive 
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| David wrote: | It's interesting to see people oppose the death penalty on pragmatic grounds (it doesn't work as a deterrent) or because of the risk an innocent person might be executed, but what about a more fundamental human rights perspective? That even if a person has committed an atrocity and there is 100% certainty, it is still wrong to take their life? Is that such a radical position to take?
My view is that criminals are still members of society. Unlike many, I don't see that that membership expires once they break the social contract. They're still human beings, every bit as much as you or I, and they do not deserve to be subjected to gratuitous punishment beyond what is necessary to keep others safe. To argue otherwise is, I think, profoundly anti-humanist.
The irony is, I think most people actually agree with me in theory, because most people oppose torture or starving prisoners or using them for scientific experimentation. If you really believed criminals deserved no rights, you would have no issue with any of those things taking place. |
while they still experiment on innocent animals to stop a person getting a rash from mascara, im all for using not so innocent people,
as for deterant, not bothered, I just don't think some bastards deserve to breathe
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| ""? Is it such a radical position to take? |
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David
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Do any of us 'deserve' to breathe, though? Who determines such things?
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It's been almost 50yrs since Ronald Ryan was hung and there are still debates now as to whether or not he actually did it.
If we're debating things like this almost 48yrs on, I don't think it's worth it.
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think positive
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| David wrote: | | Do any of us 'deserve' to breathe, though? Who determines such things? |
I do, im on the good list!
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| David wrote: | | Do any of us 'deserve' to breathe, though? Who determines such things? |
The man who may or may not have been born yesterday 2014 years ago! |
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David
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Well, according to his philosophy, we're all sinners who all deserve eternal torment but for the grace of god. So, not sure what he'd think of capital punishment...
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Tannin 
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| David wrote: | | So, not sure what he'd think of capital punishment... |
As a matter of fact, he was primarily concerned about the effect it has on the people administering it. (Refer Luke 23:34.)
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| David wrote: | | Well, according to his philosophy, we're all sinners who all deserve eternal torment but for the grace of god. So, not sure what he'd think of capital punishment... |
We're all born sinners.
But all sin is forgiven, some people believe you just have to ask some think it's a given that we are forgiven when we die. |
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I remember when I was studying psych we looked at the responses and experiences of those who were extremely pro death penalty ( it was USA based) before and after they were given the opportunity to actually attend and observe a prisoner being executed by lethal injection.
The changes in attitudes were stark not that it means that all will change of course.
I don't trust humans and the system to get it right 100% of the time so no for me - plus it seems totally ineffective as a deterrent and in the end it won't bring back the person/people they may have killed and I'm not sue if it was someone I cared about who had been killed that it would make their loss easier to bear - dunno maybe it would?
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David
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| Morrigu wrote: | I remember when I was studying psych we looked at the responses and experiences of those who were extremely pro death penalty ( it was USA based) before and after they were given the opportunity to actually attend and observe a prisoner being executed by lethal injection.
The changes in attitudes were stark not that it means that all will change of course. |
I think that really demonstrates how dehumanising a lot of pro-death penalty rhetoric is. It's a lot easier to support capital punishment when you can imagine a smirking Disney villain in the chair as opposed to a real-life human being with thoughts, hopes, fears, dreams and memories.
If anyone has 100 minutes to spare, there is a really good documentary on capital punishment in America by Werner Herzog called Into the Abyss. You can watch it in full here:
http://youtu.be/vfS6yEu9lMo
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| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | | Do any of us 'deserve' to breathe, though? Who determines such things? |
I do, im on the good list! |
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stui magpie 
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I've elaborated on my view on this a few times, I'm not going into detail now or searching for past posts as im typing on a tablet. But summary is I support the death penalty in specific situations with a higher standard of proof to be applied.
Why? Same reason as putting down a dangerous dog
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swoop42 
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The public can be kept perfectly safe from a dangerous dog if it's restrained and kept in a locked yard.
Besides as much as I like animals comparing humans to them in such situations is just plain simplistic and wrong.
What next harvesting criminals for there meat or organs in a world short on food?
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| swoop42 wrote: |
What next harvesting criminals for there meat or organs in a world short on food? |
Can we start by doing chemical testing on them instead of animals? |
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