Anti Islamic immigration movement rises in Germany

[Mugwump]

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[HAL]

I know one is between zero and two but I had no idea it was the [b]culture of Islam[b] — the “complete way of life” set forth in the Qur’an and Sunnah.

[pietillidie]

Ah, Mugwump is here, to tell us that the left which has been dominated by feminist left thought for two decades now and has fought for women's rights for decades more is no longer feminist; black and white folk are allowed to riot and shape a country for good or bad, but Muslims (including black Muslims) aren't; the EU is to blame for Putin, but not Anglo-America; Blair's Iraq and Afghanistan death cults and torture programs were of a different sort to those of fanatics elsewhere; secularism is at risk because the left is disinterested, even though it was the only group seriously interested in the massive, religio-fanatical anti-democratic violence and destruction of the Iraq War, GFC, and idiotic response to the GFC, and despite it fighting tooth and nail to stop successive, highly-organised routings of organised labour by Big capital, and despite being repeatedly de-funded at its intellectual source, the university; the re-emergence of the looney Euro Bigot right is to be blamed on the left, not on capital smashing real wage growth and Europe's seedy, ever-simmering, ever-ready pool of racist sentiments and delusions; and, well, anything else which has gone wrong just throw that on Muslims, too!

You should publish that in The Journal of Everyone Else is to Blame for Conservative Anglo-Americans No Longer Ruling the World with Gay Abandon, Mugwump!

[David]

[pietillidie]

^They haven't even ceded feminist discourse, if that's what you're referring to. Even the nuttiest of right, women-hating organisations such as conservative Christian churches have been forced into ceding on gender because of natural economic change and the tireless work of the left without a jot of help or thanks or apology from the stifling, blocking, backward right.

The point is a commonsense trivial one in Leftist discourse that has been understood for decades and is taught in first or second year in any decent social science course: One culture's present reform is another culture's future reform, just as in individual psychology one person's present development task different from the development task of another person at a different age or in a different context. Mix contexts and you get old reform priorities competing with new reform priorities. It's not rocket science for goodness' sake.

Many Islamic nations are still going through core, prerequisite economic reform; in the same way that feminism was impossible in the West before major economic changes, it is still impossible in many other countries. You can't dislodge a gender power gap until you loosen vertical male power gaps, and have gotten your economy to a point where you need the productivity of women over and above your culture objections to it. This is precisely what happened in the West and is happening in countries like Korea now.

Where is all the concern from the same people for women in South America, South Asia, Northeast Asia, Africa, the Pacific Islands and on and on in place after place and culture after culture as far as the eye can see? It's not there because the current interest in Islamic women is a straight-out sham. A fraudulent, feigned expression of concern for something the very same people fought tooth and nail against in their own culture two or three decades ago, and don't give the slightest stuff about anywhere else on the planet except under force of public moral guilt (i.e., your "political correctness").

As a very simple, concrete illustration: Where were all these people when women were crushed in Korea while it was developing, or Korean immigrants in America were following the very same oppressive gender hierarchy there on arrival? Where are they now when the same is going on for Honduran or Burmese women?

Edits: Think I misunderstood you on first reading

[Tannin]

[1061]

[David]

So, are you saying there are no significant cultural differences between Albania and Nigeria? I have no opinion on whether that website is made by "whack jobs", but it's hardly an authoritative source, is it?

[HAL]

Have faith, I'm trying but it's not easy and the person who suffers the most at the end of the day.

[1061]

[David]

What SP is asserting is commonly understood fact. Apart from the tiny minority of Iraqi Christians and a few other religious groups, almost all of IS's victims have either been Muslim or adherents of Islam-derived minority faiths. Clearly, the idea of a unified Muslim culture is fantasy, whoever's saying it.

In the age of Wikipedia, I don't think there's any excuse for making unfounded statements about major world religions. If you're interested in or worried about Islam, take a moment to learn something about it. And I say that as someone who knows hardly anything about Islam myself; I just think it's a shame to see ignorant internet memes spread so widely when they have the potential to do such damage.

[Tannin]

^ Not fair. It's not an "Internet meme". It's just ignorance. OK, gross ignorance, and ignorance of this general kind has been the stock in trade of anti-democratic leaders the world over for thousands of years.

It's also notable that it is in general only the totalitarian-minded extremists like (for example) ISIS or - to take the case in point - the Western hard-line Christian right insist on picturing the world in terms of vast, monolithic cultural structures, and lack both the will and the intelligence to appreciate the vast differences within the groups they seek to typecast..

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