Hostage situation in Sydney

[pietillidie]

[Wokko]

[pietillidie]

Of course, the primary cause of a ridiculous murder rate of 5+/100,000 people is social polarisation and breakdown. We all know that.

And then you go and facilitate it and entertain it with idiotic gun laws?

Beyond that, you're dead right about it being cultural. Mollycoddling a detached, anti-social psychiatry is both symptomatic and causal in what is a dysfunctional culture.

Only a destructive culture which has given up on the very notion of "society" swaggers about like a ten-year-old vigilante. It needs therapy, not imaginary protection from imaginary demons.

[Morrigu]

[David]

[Tannin]

[Tannin]

[watt price tully]

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+gun+control+jon+stewart&qpvt=you+tube+gun+control+jon+stewart&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=DE83A575F8F2B9462EDFDE83A575F8F2B9462EDF

Get outta here

[think positive]

[Wokko]

Probably worth reading the whole article written by Senator Leyonhjelm rather than the sensationalised selctive quoting I've seen. He is 90% discussing the ridiculous situation of having no right to defend yourself as any and all means, even non lethal ones, are illegal.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lindt-cafe-hostages-like-the-rest-of-us-denied-the-practical-right-to-selfdefence-20141218-129q4r.html

This country is completely $�$%^%%$ brainwashed concerning weapons of self defense.

The Muslim terrorist was using a weapon that has been banned for 18 years and didn't have a firearms license, so tell me again how gun laws work to protect us.

[Tannin]

Get a grip. You do have the right to defend yourself. Self-defence has been a fundamental basic of our law for hundreds of years, and nothing has changed that. You don't, however, have the right to endanger those around you by carrying an offensive weapon - and as all rational people are aware, the likelihood of harming an innocent person with an offensive personal weapon (such as a handgun, an automatic rifle, a vial of live Ebola virus, or a kilo of Semtex) is vastly higher than the likelihood of preventing harm with it.

[Tannin]

[Wokko]

What part of Non Lethal was so hard to understand. What is the point of a right if any and all means to exercise that right are illegal? How do you defend yourself or your family against an armed attacker when there are no weapons you can use apart from whatever you're lucky enough to have within reach. Even going to another room and grabbing something can get you in trouble.

[Tannin]

^ Rubbish post. Any and all means of self-defence are legal provided only that the response is reasonable under the circumstances, is a genuine attempt at self-defence where no reasonable lesser alternative is available, and it uses a practical minimum of force consistent with safety. By far the best way to be safe is not to be attacked in the first place. Preventing the sale of lethal weapons is the single most important way to achieve that aim, and as the Australian experience since Port Arthur has proved, it is a very effective way indeed. Murders way down. Mass killings hugely down. Gunshot accidental deaths way down. Gunshot suicides way down. Doesn't matter which way you look at it, it has worked, and worked so well that Australians will never, ever go back to the bad old days.

[1061]

Looks like the Gay Marriage lobbyists are going to use the Cafe Managers Murder in their fight for same sex marriage. Apparently he was in a defacto relationship with his partner of 14 years but of course they could not marry.

I hope they don't do this.

The US Based Huffington Post has started and they obviously don't understand in Australia all Non Married Couples are equal under Australian law. There is no discrimination.