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HAL
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| I heard other people use clueless here in the strict sense - not as a sneer or an insult; pointing out that we don't know what happened we have no clues about it and won't know until the inquest if too. |
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1061
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| nomadjack wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | There is victims of crime compensation. |
There is but they will get $1500 under that. Under the Terrorism rule you can get up to $70K. |
That would explain why the authorities are so keen for this to be seen as the work of a lone madman and not a terrorist. |
Do you actually believe this?  |
Turns out the compensation is about $15,000 not $1500.
How can anyone decide being held hostage is more traumatizing that being bashed or raped or pick your crime.
if it goes up to $70,000 that should be for everyone. |
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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| 1061 wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | There is victims of crime compensation. |
There is but they will get $1500 under that. Under the Terrorism rule you can get up to $70K. |
That would explain why the authorities are so keen for this to be seen as the work of a lone madman and not a terrorist. |
Do you actually believe this? |
Turns out the compensation is about $15,000 not $1500.
How can anyone decide being held hostage is more traumatizing that being bashed or raped or pick your crime.
if it goes up to $70,000 that should be for everyone. |
Let's clarify no matter what the situation it is like any compensation "It's up too"? Who determines what each person gets? Is the women who wants a six figure sum for her story entitled to any compensation? And yes | Quote: | | How can anyone decide being held hostage is more traumatizing that being bashed or raped or pick your crime. |
My View it's Political Point scoring and nothing more. |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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Fred Nile ....
“They should get recognition for what they suffered as hostages but I don’t think they should get bravery awards,” Nile told Fairfax Radio. “Maybe they could have done something more to protect the women.
“Normally bravery awards are given for an act of bravery – that somebody actually does something. They haven’t done anything.”
How can anyone have a go at him for that statement?
I don't know enough about the bloke, but what he said there is correct IMO.
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1061
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| Maybe the comment about the only real man in the cafe being the man with the gun got people off side. |
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nomadjack
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Location: Essendon
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| 1061 wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | There is victims of crime compensation. |
There is but they will get $1500 under that. Under the Terrorism rule you can get up to $70K. |
That would explain why the authorities are so keen for this to be seen as the work of a lone madman and not a terrorist. |
Do you actually believe this? |
Turns out the compensation is about $15,000 not $1500.
How can anyone decide being held hostage is more traumatizing that being bashed or raped or pick your crime.
if it goes up to $70,000 that should be for everyone. |
Do you actually believe though that the amount of compensation payable would influence whether government classified this as a terrorist attack? |
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1061
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| nomadjack wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | There is victims of crime compensation. |
There is but they will get $1500 under that. Under the Terrorism rule you can get up to $70K. |
That would explain why the authorities are so keen for this to be seen as the work of a lone madman and not a terrorist. |
Do you actually believe this? |
Turns out the compensation is about $15,000 not $1500.
How can anyone decide being held hostage is more traumatizing that being bashed or raped or pick your crime.
if it goes up to $70,000 that should be for everyone. |
Do you actually believe though that the amount of compensation payable would influence whether government classified this as a terrorist attack? |
Well Yes!
Do you trust the Government with everything. |
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It seems even the Police have questions about how the siege was handled!
| wrote: | Tensions have emerged among police about the command strategy during the Lindt cafe siege and a late decision that some officers believe put hostages at greater risk.
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It appears police had no or little direct contact with Monis. On the account of Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione during the siege, at 5.33pm he said "in fact we're not dealing directly with him".
Mr Scipione repeated that advice at 6.07pm and 7.46pm, when he said: "At this stage we do not have direct contact with the offender."
Among those to offer their services were the Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, but he was not called in – neither to help negotiate nor to advise police.
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-divided-over-strategy-during-lindt-cafe-siege-in-martin-place-sydney-20150111-12lykf.html
As to who was in over-all command (or should have been) is anyones guess!
| wrote: | "The SEOCON role is held by the Deputy Commissioner, Field Operations, NSW Police Force."
The head of field operations would normally be Deputy Commissioner Nick Kaldas but Assistant Commissioner Loy was acting in his role on the day due to illness.
A statement by police said Commissioner Andrew Scipione had deployed the counter-terrorism unit under the banner of Task Force Pioneer, led by Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch who reports to Ms Burn.
According to the police statement, Assistant Commissioner Loy was not in the senior coordinating role during most of the siege.
"Jeff Loy was the senior officer at the State Crisis Centre late on the evening of the siege as part of the relief arrangements," police said. |
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/questions-over-martin-place-siege-command-as-joint-investigation-nears-completion-20150117-12sbjy.html
| wrote: | | Premier Mike Baird leapt to defend Assistant Police Commissioner Catherine Burn after the suggestion emerged she had misled ministers over whether it was police bullets, or the gunman, that had killed or injured hostages. |
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Bruce Gonsalves 
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| 3.14159 wrote: | It seems even the Police have questions about how the siege was handled!
| wrote: | Tensions have emerged among police about the command strategy during the Lindt cafe siege and a late decision that some officers believe put hostages at greater risk.
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It appears police had no or little direct contact with Monis. On the account of Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione during the siege, at 5.33pm he said "in fact we're not dealing directly with him".
Mr Scipione repeated that advice at 6.07pm and 7.46pm, when he said: "At this stage we do not have direct contact with the offender."
Among those to offer their services were the Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, but he was not called in – neither to help negotiate nor to advise police.
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-divided-over-strategy-during-lindt-cafe-siege-in-martin-place-sydney-20150111-12lykf.html
As to who was in over-all command (or should have been) is anyones guess!
| wrote: | "The SEOCON role is held by the Deputy Commissioner, Field Operations, NSW Police Force."
The head of field operations would normally be Deputy Commissioner Nick Kaldas but Assistant Commissioner Loy was acting in his role on the day due to illness.
A statement by police said Commissioner Andrew Scipione had deployed the counter-terrorism unit under the banner of Task Force Pioneer, led by Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch who reports to Ms Burn.
According to the police statement, Assistant Commissioner Loy was not in the senior coordinating role during most of the siege.
"Jeff Loy was the senior officer at the State Crisis Centre late on the evening of the siege as part of the relief arrangements," police said. |
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/questions-over-martin-place-siege-command-as-joint-investigation-nears-completion-20150117-12sbjy.html
| wrote: | | Premier Mike Baird leapt to defend Assistant Police Commissioner Catherine Burn after the suggestion emerged she had misled ministers over whether it was police bullets, or the gunman, that had killed or injured hostages. |
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May have been a better result if Christine Nixon was in charge. |
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Wokko 
Come and take it.
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May have been a better result if Christine Nixon was in charge. |
She could've pissed off for lunch somewhere and been unreachable. |
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ronrat
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| Wokko wrote: | | Bruce Gonsalves wrote: |
May have been a better result if Christine Nixon was in charge. |
She could've pissed off for lunch somewhere and been unreachable. |
If she thought Lindt chocolates were at risk she would have donned a flak jacket and stormed the building. The hostages may have got out but at least 10kg of chocolates would have paid with their lives.
I wonder how many operational roles the Assistant Commissioner has held given her "we are following events on twitter" type comments.
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Pies4shaw 
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So, the score at full-time appears to have Dangerous Man with Guns 1: Police 1.
"A coronial inquest into the deaths that occurred during the siege at Sydney’s Martin Place has heard that Katrina Dawson was killed by fragments of a police bullet.
The inquest, which began today (29 January) at the Coroner’s Court in Glebe, revealed that Dawson died when six fragments of police bullets ricocheted off the walls of the Lindt café and struck a major blood vessel.
Dawson, a barrister at the nearby Eight Selborne Chambers, lost consciousness and died shortly after being hit.
Jeremy Gormly SC, counsel assisting the coroner, also revealed that gunman Man Haron Monis forced Lindt café manager Tori Johnson to kneel before shooting him in the back of the head.
Monis was shot twice in the head and at least 11 times in the body, which killed him instantly, the inquest heard.
Dawson and Johnson were among 17 hostages held for 16 hours inside the café in December 2014."
http://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/news/16101-inquest-reveals-barrister-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-bullet |
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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| Or on reflection, Police 2. |
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think positive 
Side By Side
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Police zero, ^&*^*% 3, none of this would have happened if he didn't want his 15 min of fame
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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