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Bob Sugar 



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:23 pm
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How about the Heidelberg Soccer Ground, it could be linked to Northland with a walkway and the carparking is already there.


Appalling public transport to Olympic Village.


Nice class of people though.

I went to school at Olympic village, was actually the best primary school I went to even though I got punched up by a girl.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:33 pm
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OK - This is a radical idea.

The space over the Eastern freeway adjacent to Vic park. Its empty. Build over the top of it and put a stadium there. Run the freeway underneath with offramps for parking. The railway is at the door, and it IS IN COLLINGWOOD

Call it New Vic Park

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:47 pm
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Defender wrote:
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How about the Heidelberg Soccer Ground, it could be linked to Northland with a walkway and the carparking is already there.


Appalling public transport to Olympic Village.


Nice class of people though.


I support South Melbourne Hellas, so my thoughts on Olympic Village are not exactly complimentary.
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Bob Sugar 



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:51 pm
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blackmissionary wrote:
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blackmissionary wrote:
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How about the Heidelberg Soccer Ground, it could be linked to Northland with a walkway and the carparking is already there.


Appalling public transport to Olympic Village.


Nice class of people though.


I support South Melbourne Hellas, so my thoughts on Olympic Village are not exactly complimentary.


The parking was horrendous for Heidelberg games back in the early 80s, streets were lined for miles even though Northland was pretty much next door.

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I remember a guy who went to Olympic village with me well, Eddie McDonald was his name, he was an African looking dude but he spoke like Paul Hogan, absolute gun Aussie rules player but he always chose Soccer (both codes were played at the same time at primary school level)

I'd get back from playing footy and I'd ask "how'd ya go Edd?" He'd say pretty good, we won, I kicked 14, dude was a freak, one of the nicest blokes I've met, pretty sure Heidelberg were after him at the time, not sure how it turned out.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:10 pm
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Watsonia football ground is built on an
old tip.
Would cause great problems with the engineering.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:35 pm
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jackcass wrote:
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Now this, this right here, this will have me coming back to the footy! Hell, crowd-fund the damn thing if need be. I'd be happy to pay a membership fee of $12.50+ to raise $1M to get the ball rolling...

DO. IT.


I'm no expert, but we'd need a 50-60,000 capacity venue to make it worthwhile. I reckon you'd need a minimum of $100 million (probably twice that amount) to build that. That's a lot of crowd funding. Rolling Eyes


$100 million might just about get you foundations. dude, a stadium is a $500m-$1 billion project. especially if we are going to build the biggest scoreboard on the planet to take the title off Dallas Cowboys! they spent about $2 billion on their stadium.


I think the Kardinia Park redevelopment over the last few years (2x major stands and lights) has cost $60-80M but that doesn't account for the value of the pre-existing elements.

Biggest issue would be acquiring sufficient land in a convenient location. Vic Park site isn't probably suitable, unlikely you'd get approval to build a significant stadium in the tennis centre-AAMI park precinct so what does that leave? Docklands redevelopment? Outer western suburbs? One of the park areas along the Yarra like out at Fairfield?

Can understand the reasoning but ultimately there will be far too many obsticles.


Plenty of cheap unused land out here in the west, could build it next to Melbourne Ball park. Laverton station is a short walk away and the princess freeway would take you right to the door.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:36 pm
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Vic park would have issues with parking and whinging neighbours.


There was lots of community unrest prior to the club leaving Vic Park, can't imagine that would have changed or that the local council would support a move back there.

Always amazed that people move next to something (airport, freeway, industrial zone, sporting facility) and then complain that it's having a negative impact on them... well hello!


I'd imagine most of the unrest was due to the parking situation.


Was one of the major issues, that and having 20K+ fans stomping through the streets after a game.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:47 pm
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punkologist wrote:
jackcass wrote:
E wrote:
RudeBoy wrote:
Raw Hammer wrote:
Now this, this right here, this will have me coming back to the footy! Hell, crowd-fund the damn thing if need be. I'd be happy to pay a membership fee of $12.50+ to raise $1M to get the ball rolling...

DO. IT.


I'm no expert, but we'd need a 50-60,000 capacity venue to make it worthwhile. I reckon you'd need a minimum of $100 million (probably twice that amount) to build that. That's a lot of crowd funding. Rolling Eyes


$100 million might just about get you foundations. dude, a stadium is a $500m-$1 billion project. especially if we are going to build the biggest scoreboard on the planet to take the title off Dallas Cowboys! they spent about $2 billion on their stadium.


I think the Kardinia Park redevelopment over the last few years (2x major stands and lights) has cost $60-80M but that doesn't account for the value of the pre-existing elements.

Biggest issue would be acquiring sufficient land in a convenient location. Vic Park site isn't probably suitable, unlikely you'd get approval to build a significant stadium in the tennis centre-AAMI park precinct so what does that leave? Docklands redevelopment? Outer western suburbs? One of the park areas along the Yarra like out at Fairfield?

Can understand the reasoning but ultimately there will be far too many obsticles.


Plenty of cheap unused land out here in the west, could build it next to Melbourne Ball park. Laverton station is a short walk away and the princess freeway would take you right to the door.

And people call Docklands an atmosphere free zone. The ballpark should never have been built there.
I was on the committee of Newport Baseball Club at the time, and they were all jumping up & down about it being built in the West (Dick Mason was horrified). I said at the time "no one will go there to watch a game." I was right, no one ever has.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:52 pm
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What is next to AAMI Park now? Combine the two ovals on Gosche's Paddock?

Looking at google maps you could fit a stadium a similar size to AAMI stadium if you built it on an angle. Maybe 40,000: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Olympic+Park/@-37.8250755,144.9841031,804m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x6ad642be13a706ab:0xc95e114e4c1fb09e

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:58 pm
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As for Victoria Park. How do we stack out the Council? Smile

Party Councillors - Yarra Council
Victorian Greens 3
Australian Labor Party 3
Independent 2
Socialist Party 1
Total 9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Yarra#Council

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:00 pm
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Forget Watsonia, Greensborough and the outer north, lets just do what we did with Athletics Australia and take over the Collingwood Harriers site in Fairfield. Walk from Clifton Hill or Dennis stations, close to freeway access and the East-West tunnel. We could persuade the government to let us buy the high-rise Housing Commission flats, tip out the tenants, build a social club at ground level with underground parking and build boutique apartments and a hotel on top!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:21 pm
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Buy Vic Park
Dig a big hole
Make it underground parking
Build the stadium partly below ground level
Only cost $1-2 billion

Problem solved

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:29 am
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Lets not forget the Collingwood Warriors.



and the old Yellow Ivanhoe Bus's are retro cool.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:43 am
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stoliboy wrote:
As for Victoria Park. How do we stack out the Council? Smile

Party Councillors - Yarra Council
Victorian Greens 3
Australian Labor Party 3
Independent 2
Socialist Party 1
Total 9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Yarra#Council


With a group like that to choose from the chances of getting them to make a rational viable commercial decision cannot be calculated. It would certainly start with a decimal point and a number of leading zeros.
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