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uncanny
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Location: Castlemaine
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and to answer the Carringbush spliffster...
I'm going with Bobby Rose as coach.
Nathan Buckley as captain _________________ woodsmen rule |
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Tannin
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Post subject: Re: Collingwood 1970 - 1993 v Collingwood 1994 to 2014 | |
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stui magpie wrote: | Yeah, that would be the big advantage team 2 has, the height and size of the KPP. Poor Bustling Billy wouldn't know WTF he was up against on Rocca, and worthingtons only hope on Cloke would be to knock him out. |
Which would take him ... what? 25 seconds? _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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Greeningsrevenge2010
Joined: 04 Dec 2014
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Nails Worthington was only ever the back pocket for the resting ruckman, the elite Full Back for that period was Peter McCormack who came to us as a star junior Full Forward but became such a feared Full Back that the great Full Forwards of the day named him as their most difficult opponent, Clifton and Cooper not far behind. Also from this period Andrew Ireland was elite.. Robert Hyde only had one elite season winning the Copeland in our Wooden spoon year.. You can't have McKenna without Price and 3 rucks is too top heavy so Monky goes.. Wearmouth and Barham the kind of speed and X factor we haven't seen in decades and Tuddy over Chocko a no brainer so the side should look like this
FB Magro McCormack Morwood
HB McGuane Picken Ireland
C Millane Price Barham
HF Dunne Carman Greening
FF Moore McKenna Daicos
R Thompson W Richardson Wearmouth
Int Tuddenham G Brown A Shaw R Shaw
Coach: Tom Hafey
Unlucky:
Rene Kink Scott Russell Graham Wright
Changes:
McCormack - Worthington
Tuddenham - M Williams
Wearmouth - Francis
Ireland - Crosisca
Price - Hyde
Barham - Monkhorst |
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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Greeningsrevenge2010 wrote: | Nails Worthington was only ever the back pocket for the resting ruckman, the elite Full Back for that period was Peter McCormack who came to us as a star junior Full Forward but became such a feared Full Back that the great Full Forwards of the day named him as their most difficult opponent, Clifton and Cooper not far behind. Also from this period Andrew Ireland was elite.. Robert Hyde only had one elite season winning the Copeland in our Wooden spoon year.. You can't have McKenna without Price and 3 rucks is too top heavy so Monky goes.. Wearmouth and Barham the kind of speed and X factor we haven't seen in decades and Tuddy over Chocko a no brainer so the side should look like this
FB Magro McCormack Morwood
HB McGuane Picken Ireland
C Millane Price Barham
HF Dunne Carman Greening
FF Moore McKenna Daicos
R Thompson W Richardson Wearmouth
Int Tuddenham G Brown A Shaw R Shaw
Coach: Tom Hafey
Unlucky:
Rene Kink Scott Russell Graham Wright
Changes:
McCormack - Worthington
Tuddenham - M Williams
Wearmouth - Francis
Ireland - Crosisca
Price - Hyde
Barham - Monkhorst |
Becoming a nice looking side.
i have to nominate m.taylor for stan's BP position.
Also would have Chocco ahead of many of the named smalls. |
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uncanny
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Location: Castlemaine
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Greeningsrevenge2010 wrote: | Nails Worthington was only ever the back pocket for the resting ruckman, the elite Full Back for that period was Peter McCormack who came to us as a star junior Full Forward but became such a feared Full Back that the great Full Forwards of the day named him as their most difficult opponent, Clifton and Cooper not far behind. Also from this period Andrew Ireland was elite.. Robert Hyde only had one elite season winning the Copeland in our Wooden spoon year.. You can't have McKenna without Price and 3 rucks is too top heavy so Monky goes.. Wearmouth and Barham the kind of speed and X factor we haven't seen in decades and Tuddy over Chocko a no brainer so the side should look like this
FB Magro McCormack Morwood
HB McGuane Picken Ireland
C Millane Price Barham
HF Dunne Carman Greening
FF Moore McKenna Daicos
R Thompson W Richardson Wearmouth
Int Tuddenham G Brown A Shaw R Shaw
Coach: Tom Hafey
Unlucky:
Rene Kink Scott Russell Graham Wright
Changes:
McCormack - Worthington
Tuddenham - M Williams
Wearmouth - Francis
Ireland - Crosisca
Price - Hyde
Barham - Monkhorst |
Very credible changes mooted here to the original 70 to 93 side Greeningsrevenge2010
and welcome aboard nicks from a not quite so newby
do you think any of your inclusions warrant a game in the 70 til now side?
And if so, whom should they replace?
Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014
FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Gavin Crocisca
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson John Greening Anthony Rocca
Tony Shaw _________________ woodsmen rule |
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uncanny
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Location: Castlemaine
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Becoming a nice looking side.
i have to nominate m.taylor for stan's BP position.
Also would have Chocco ahead of many of the named smalls.[/quote]
same question to you CarringbushCigar
Would either of these boys make the team of the most recent half century?
If so who would they push out? _________________ woodsmen rule |
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Greeningsrevenge2010
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CarringbushCigar wrote: |
i have to nominate m.taylor for stan's BP position.
Also would have Chocco ahead of many of the named smalls. |
I saw Taylor more in the midfield and there are better options there, Magro just adds that Hawthorn like mongrel in the backline but he was also our Centreman in 77 so he has that flexibility.. Chocko was at his most damaging for us in the forward pocket late in his career but there again he's up against Daics for that spot and for team balance as elite as he was he wasn't quick and you can only carry a few of those so Tuddy gets the nod.. Russell is the real unlucky one, perfectly balanced high production elite delivery.. some would say Graham Wright as well but there was always a slight query over his kicking
70 to 14 is just too tough and the players are just too different.. McCormack was 188cm, so was McKenna, So was Carman, so was Picken.. they wouldn't hold down a key position these days and that was my entire spine |
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Bolsheviki
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
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1970-1993
B. Magro, Pert, Morwood
HB. McGuane, Picken, Crosisca
C. Millaine, Price, Brown
HF. Greening, Carmen, Daicos
FWD. Moore, McKenna, Russell
R. Thompson, Tuddy, Francis
INTER. W. Richardson, A. Shaw, Wright, Dunne
1994-2014
B. Johnson, Presti, Clement
HB. Burns, Reid, H. Shaw
C. Thomas, Buckley, P.Williams
HF. Didak, A. Rocca, Tarrant
F. Krakouer, Cloke, Davis
FOLL Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
INTER O'Brien, Ball, Maxwell, Licuria
Only certainties in the combined team would probably be -1970/94 Millaine, Brown, Greening, Daicos, McKenna, Thommo, and Tuddy, while from the second era it would have to include Bucks, Swanny, and Pendles. The rest take your pick.......... _________________ Sitting here in my safe European home........ |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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uncanny wrote: | and to answer the Carringbush spliffster...
I'm going with Bobby Rose as coach.
Nathan Buckley as captain |
I'm sorry, but as much as I love Bucks - our greatest player of the modern era - there's no question at all that Tuddy is our greatest captain....ever. There's never been a harder, tougher, more selfless, stronger leader than Tuddy. Sadly, he was let down in his day by poor club administration, who failed to embrace the professionalism and commitment that Tuddy demanded. |
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uncanny
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Location: Castlemaine
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yes Rude Boy
Tuddy was a great leader and his treatment by the club along with big Len and a few other cost us big time.
However...
He was only captain in 1976 in the time of selection so I can't go past Bucks.
Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014
FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Gavin Crocisca
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham (vc)
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley (c) Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson John Greening Anthony Rocca
Tony Shaw
Coach Bob Rose _________________ woodsmen rule |
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Mossi
Joined: 20 May 2002 Location: Vittorio Veneto TV Italy
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Uncanny, having watched and seen play all the players in both era's I found myself hard pressed to leave people out, but if your going to pick the best 22 in my view your not far wrong. John Greening was to good to leave on the bench. In fact he is close to the best player on the list. Imagine this team running out to play round 1!
FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Gavin Crocisca
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan, John Greening
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham (vc)
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley (c) Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Anthony Rocca Graham Wright
Tony Shaw
Coach Bob Rose |
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1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
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Has Pendles really done enough to deserve a place? |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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1061 wrote: | Has Pendles really done enough to deserve a place? |
A Norm Smith is pretty rare. He would kill sides in those teams given they couldn't afford to waste select ions on pure taggers and if they bothered t he taggers wouldn,t last long. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Post subject: Re: Collingwood 1970 - 1993 v Collingwood 1994 to 2014 | |
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Defender wrote: | Simply_Brutal wrote: | uncanny wrote: | Collingwood team: 1994 to 2014
FB Heath Shaw S. Presti. Ben Red
HB Scott Burns James Clement Ben Johnson
C S. Sidebottom Dane Swan H. Lumumba
HF Alan Didak Travis Cloke Dayne Beams
FF Anthony Rocca Saverio Rocca Leon Davis
R Darren Jolly Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Chris Tarrant Paul Williams Dale Thomas
Jamie Elliott |
IN: Reid, Sidebottom, Beams, Lumumba, Thomas
OUT: Maxwell, Licuria, Fraser, Brown, Wright (Pre 94) |
Wright was the Brownlow runner up in 1990, try again. |
100% agreed, played a huge part in the 1990 year of triumph. A magpie great who is too often overlooked. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Mossi wrote: | Uncanny, having watched and seen play all the players in both era's I found myself hard pressed to leave people out, but if your going to pick the best 22 in my view your not far wrong. John Greening was to good to leave on the bench. In fact he is close to the best player on the list. Imagine this team running out to play round 1!
FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Gavin Crocisca
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan, John Greening
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham (vc)
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley (c) Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Anthony Rocca Graham Wright
Tony Shaw
Coach Bob Rose |
Yeah, that's probably good enough, though i'd have Cloke in place of Rocca because he is more versatile and his goals/game average feels pretty similar, though I haven't checked the stats -and McCormack for Presti. McCormack was a great blanket, but he was also more attacking than Presti. In positioning, i'd change Daicos with Tuddenham, and Wright with Millane.
How Barry Price misses out I don't know, but I can't really displace anyone for him. But the side above reminds me just how fortunate we have been to watch Collingwood over the last 40 years. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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