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David 
I dare you to try
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| think positive wrote: | | Inve seen sex and the city 2! |
I haven't, but I have enjoyed a few of the reviews:
http://www.salon.com/2010/05/27/satc2/
| Quote: | This movie might as well be set in Czarist Russia or on the Ice-Diamond Planet of KZnorg, for all the realism it provides. Abu Dhabi is just the answer to Kings narrative question: How can I get these 40-something gals out of their miserable, disgustingly-rich-but-ordinary lives, into a succession of frightful high-fashion outfits and into some version of the single-woman Manhattan playland they used to inhabit?
Wajahat Ali was correct to complain in Salon that Kings portrayal of the Muslim world is dumb and offensive: The SATC2″ coven has no problem with the new Middle East when its all about private manservants, endlessly flowing fruity-tooty cocktails and a comped luxury suite that looks like Al Pacinos house from Scarface, only less tasteful and metastasized to infinite proportions. The foursome develops a sudden concern with the oppression of Arab and Muslim women only after the pipeline of pornographic bling-juice is cut off. This is doubly frustrating because theres the germ of an interesting idea here ultra-randy Samantha, going head-to-head with Islamic sexism and Puritanism which is handled too clumsily to be either funny or dramatically effective. |
This is even better:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/salon-com-sex-and-the-city-2s-stunning-muslim-cliches/
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It actually was funny the way it was dealt with! And her clothes were to die for!
But really, are we ever likely to agree on a movie review? Except maybe titanic, which is loathed!
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watt price tully 
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| think positive wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | pietillidie wrote: | | think positive wrote: | PTD ISIS have said outright they want to rule the world. So where is Wokko dreaming? It's not stupid fear, it's reality. It's like the creature crawling through the body in alien, trying to take over, and it does not have peace in it's mind. Wether the majority of Muslims want to live in peace does not matter, what matters is not allowing such an oppressive group have any control. As a woman, Isalm scares the crap out of me. The veils, the burkas, the full cover clothing, the stoning of women who are raped, arranged marriages, all that crap, it's just so degrading to women, and takes the woman's movement back decades. And then their is the cruelty dished out to any men that don't go along with their plan. Innocent people are dying, and it will only get worse, unless ISIS. And any other radical group are dealt with.
And it all starts so innocently with happy holidays.
It's Merry Christmas thankYOU very much, and if you don't like it, well feel free to piss off and take your halal with you. |
Quick, valium for the lady dancing naked on the car roof with grandad's yellowed Y-fronts on her head! |
Your really are a very nasty unlikeable person. You might want to try your own medicine. |
TP, really? 
Didn't you, not too long ago say that I went too far with Pa Marmo espousing irrational conspiracy theories about President Obama being a Muslim.
We all make mistakes. You've made one here. I think you should apologise or withdraw that personalised response.
If I look at the chronology here it commenced with your comments to PTID.
FWIW, PTID merely volleyed the abuse you levelled at him. You then suggest "try your own medicine" - which was quite ironic.
Either that or you & PTID have good sex, make up & put it behind you.  
I was going to do the same with Pa Marmo but he was too boring & always wanted the missionary position |
hmm, so I looked back and yes I can see where "mate im not the one with "delusions of superiority" here!!" compares with "Quick, valium for the lady dancing naked on the car roof with grandad's yellowed Y-fronts on her head"
you may think ive made some mistake, not really sure what mistake you think ive made, but I really don't see one, or where I have "slipPED into violent racism".
I stand by what I said,
and as for comparing it to your attacks on Pa Marmo, well gees since they were along the lines of PTIDs arrogant, disdainful, nasty snipe hidden behind a poor attempt of humour attack on myself, what else can I say but WHATEVER! |
I thought you were bigger than that TP. My bad.
A disappointing response. |
Your response is exactly what I've come to expect from you. You follow certain people blindly, and then ridicule anyone who goes against them. You should be in politics, your a natural. |
Another disappointing response. Sad.
I'm not sure if you're under more stress than usual - but it doesn't add up.
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| David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Inve seen sex and the city 2! |
I haven't, but I have enjoyed a few of the reviews:
http://www.salon.com/2010/05/27/satc2/
| Quote: | This movie might as well be set in Czarist Russia or on the Ice-Diamond Planet of KZnorg, for all the realism it provides. Abu Dhabi is just the answer to Kings narrative question: How can I get these 40-something gals out of their miserable, disgustingly-rich-but-ordinary lives, into a succession of frightful high-fashion outfits and into some version of the single-woman Manhattan playland they used to inhabit?
Wajahat Ali was correct to complain in Salon that Kings portrayal of the Muslim world is dumb and offensive: The SATC2″ coven has no problem with the new Middle East when its all about private manservants, endlessly flowing fruity-tooty cocktails and a comped luxury suite that looks like Al Pacinos house from Scarface, only less tasteful and metastasized to infinite proportions. The foursome develops a sudden concern with the oppression of Arab and Muslim women only after the pipeline of pornographic bling-juice is cut off. This is doubly frustrating because theres the germ of an interesting idea here ultra-randy Samantha, going head-to-head with Islamic sexism and Puritanism which is handled too clumsily to be either funny or dramatically effective. |
This is even better:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/salon-com-sex-and-the-city-2s-stunning-muslim-cliches/ |
Have you seen the film he mentions "not without my daughter'?
Sally fields movie. Based on a true story. Scary shit. Needs lots of tissues.
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Wokko 
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I find it interesting that those on the left see Muslims as their pet minority to defend when the values of the left clash so amazingly with those of Islam. Those who hold leftist social values, particularly those as extreme as David's would be the first people who are targeted for violent retribution by Islamic societies.
If you believe the myth of the 'moderate' Muslim I've got a bridge to sell you. There's a reason that these cultures are not adapting to our own but are living in cultural ghettos while targeting white westerners, particularly women, for violence and particularly sexual violence. Islam is and always has been violently expansionist, as is seen in Europe right now and in Syria and Iraq who don't have the 'right' Muslims. Do you want to bring the same problems being faced in the UK, France and Sweden here? Why does there already have to be an irreversible issue before we look at facing the problem? The problem happens anywhere an Islamic population reaches critical mass. |
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David
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| Wokko wrote: | | If you believe the myth of the 'moderate' Muslim I've got a bridge to sell you. |
If you believe that the concept of "moderate Muslims" is a myth then I think I'll take my business elsewhere.
It's really quite simple. As with Christians, Jews or Hindus, there are degrees to which a certain religion is observed by its members. Some are hardcore fanatics, some quietly but devoutly follow the mainstream teachings, some pick and choose what they like and some are Muslims in name only. To look at this huge, geographically, ethnically, linguistically and culturally diverse groupcounting 1.6 billionand declare that "there's no such thing as moderate Muslims" is unbelievably ignorant.
Now, perhaps you're trying to argue that the average Muslim is not "moderate". I beg to differ. Basic observation bears this out: just on the numbers, members of terrorist groups clearly make up a tiny minority of people who practice Islam. If even 1% of the total world Muslim populationthat'd be 16 millionwere engaged in serious terrorist activity, trying to fly planes into buildings or blowing up shopping centreswe'd have a much bigger problem than we do now. It's clearly not the case. The CIA, for example, estimates that ISIS only numbers about 30,000. That numberremember, including extremists from all over the world who have flown in to helpconstitutes just 0.02% of the world's entire Muslim population; one in five thousand. Pack them into the MCG for a Collingwood game and we'd be complaining about low attendances. This is a tiny minority.
But even if it wasn't, you'd still have to deal with basic demographics. Muslims are a minority here, just 2% of the total population. Which do you think is more likely: that our society will conform to their worldview, or that they and their children and grandchildren will conform to ours? It really isn't hard to work out. The idea of Muslims fundamentally changing our society is not just wrong, it's certifiable.
You want to know why leftists like me want to defend Muslims living in this country? Because they cop uninformed slander like the above all the time. People say irresponsible shit like "there are no moderate Muslims", or that "all Muslims are trying to destroy our way of life", or they say that Halal labelling is an attempt to impose Sharia Law on the West (as opposed to a simple commercial decision from Western corporations). That kind of rhetoric is dangerous and divisive. All we, as people who care about the decent treatment of human beings (radical, I know) are asking for is a bit of tolerance and empathy. Because, while those qualities may not be in great supply in Saudi Arabia or Iran, we like to hope that our country can abide by a higher standard. Because, that, at the end of the day, is one of modern Australia's fundamental qualities. By fighting against that tolerance and decency, you're posing a threat to our way of life.
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pietillidie
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| Wokko wrote: | I find it interesting that those on the left see Muslims as their pet minority to defend when the values of the left clash so amazingly with those of Islam. Those who hold leftist social values, particularly those as extreme as David's would be the first people who are targeted for violent retribution by Islamic societies.
If you believe the myth of the 'moderate' Muslim I've got a bridge to sell you. There's a reason that these cultures are not adapting to our own but are living in cultural ghettos while targeting white westerners, particularly women, for violence and particularly sexual violence. Islam is and always has been violently expansionist, as is seen in Europe right now and in Syria and Iraq who don't have the 'right' Muslims. Do you want to bring the same problems being faced in the UK, France and Sweden here? Why does there already have to be an irreversible issue before we look at facing the problem? The problem happens anywhere an Islamic population reaches critical mass. |
About ten days ago my partner was a victim of violent racism on a train in the UK before my very eyes. The perpetrator was so racist she didn't even conceive it possible that I was with her.
It has badly affected my partner's confidence in public places here, and ruined the start of what ought to be a great year for her doing the master's degree she has dreamt of doing and saved up for since she was a young adult.
Do you mean those kinds of problems? Is that what you're referring to you?
Have you ever lived as a minority out in the big wide world, or do you just sit behind a computer soaking up conspiracy theories and reading Internet nonsense all day about a world you haven't got the slightest realistic grasp of?
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pietillidie
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| David wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | If you believe the myth of the 'moderate' Muslim I've got a bridge to sell you. |
If you believe that the concept of "moderate Muslims" is a myth then I think I'll take my business elsewhere.
It's really quite simple. As with Christians, Jews or Hindus, there are degrees to which a certain religion is observed by its members. Some are hardcore fanatics, some quietly but devoutly follow the mainstream teachings, some pick and choose what they like and some are Muslims in name only. To look at this huge, geographically, ethnically, linguistically and culturally diverse groupcounting 1.6 billionand declare that "there's no such thing as moderate Muslims" is unbelievably ignorant.
Now, perhaps you're trying to argue that the average Muslim is not "moderate". I beg to differ. Basic observation bears this out: just on the numbers, members of terrorist groups clearly make up a tiny minority of people who practice Islam. If even 1% of the total world Muslim populationthat'd be 16 millionwere engaged in serious terrorist activity, trying to fly planes into buildings or blowing up shopping centreswe'd have a much bigger problem than we do now. It's clearly not the case. The CIA, for example, estimates that ISIS only numbers about 30,000. That numberremember, including extremists from all over the world who have flown in to helpconstitutes just 0.02% of the world's entire Muslim population; one in five thousand. Pack them into the MCG for a Collingwood game and we'd be complaining about low attendances. This is a tiny minority.
But even if it wasn't, you'd still have to deal with basic demographics. Muslims are a minority here, just 2% of the total population. Which do you think is more likely: that our society will conform to their worldview, or that they and their children and grandchildren will conform to ours? It really isn't hard to work out. The idea of Muslims fundamentally changing our society is not just wrong, it's certifiable.
You want to know why leftists like me want to defend Muslims living in this country? Because they cop uninformed slander like the above all the time. People say irresponsible shit like "there are no moderate Muslims", or that "all Muslims are trying to destroy our way of life", or they say that Halal labelling is an attempt to impose Sharia Law on the West (as opposed to a simple commercial decision from Western corporations). That kind of rhetoric is dangerous and divisive. All we, as people who care about the decent treatment of human beings (radical, I know) are asking for is a bit of tolerance and empathy. Because, while those qualities may not be in great supply in Saudi Arabia or Iran, we like to hope that our country can abide by a higher standard. Because, that, at the end of the day, is one of modern Australia's fundamental qualities. By fighting against that tolerance and decency, you're posing a threat to our way of life. |
Well said.
We await TP's apology to the Muslim community for reducing them to ISIS and telling them to piss off.
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Pies4shaw 
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| That's true. On the other hand, being beheaded by just one person could ruin your entire day. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
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| pietillidie wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | I find it interesting that those on the left see Muslims as their pet minority to defend when the values of the left clash so amazingly with those of Islam. Those who hold leftist social values, particularly those as extreme as David's would be the first people who are targeted for violent retribution by Islamic societies.
If you believe the myth of the 'moderate' Muslim I've got a bridge to sell you. There's a reason that these cultures are not adapting to our own but are living in cultural ghettos while targeting white westerners, particularly women, for violence and particularly sexual violence. Islam is and always has been violently expansionist, as is seen in Europe right now and in Syria and Iraq who don't have the 'right' Muslims. Do you want to bring the same problems being faced in the UK, France and Sweden here? Why does there already have to be an irreversible issue before we look at facing the problem? The problem happens anywhere an Islamic population reaches critical mass. |
About ten days ago my partner was a victim of violent racism on a train in the UK before my very eyes. The perpetrator was so racist she didn't even conceive it possible that I was with her.
It has badly affected my partner's confidence in public places here, and ruined the start of what ought to be a great year for her doing the master's degree she has dreamt of doing and saved up for since she was a young adult.
Do you mean those kinds of problems? Is that what you're referring to you?
Have you ever lived as a minority out in the big wide world, or do you just sit behind a computer soaking up conspiracy theories and reading Internet nonsense all day about a world you haven't got the slightest realistic grasp of? |
The victims of violent racism in the UK who are white meanwhile are decapitated in public streets or are raped and trafficked around a town while the police do nothing because of fear of being labelled racists. White fools who verbally abuse people are filmed and publically shamed and harassed by media, immigrants who form racial gangs and assault, rape, car jack and brawl get swept under the carpet.
No, your anecdote is sad, unfortunate and upsetting but doesn't even come close to what is being thrown at our inclusive society by those who chose to come here (or the UK) and now want to destroy, tear down and radically alter the fabric of society.
And David, there are certainly moderate people who identify as Muslim, but they are as Muslim as I am Presbyterian. The religion and all who follow it at anything more than a superficial level (think Catholics/Christians who go to church on Sunday but couldn't tell you anything about their religion) are followers of a violent, expansionist, conquest driven religion. |
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watt price tully
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | That's true. On the other hand, being beheaded by just one person could ruin your entire day. |
Yes, but it fixes a headache I'm led to believe. Then again, I'm an unbeliever 
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pietillidie
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| Wokko wrote: | | No, your anecdote is sad, unfortunate and upsetting but doesn't even come close to what is being thrown at our inclusive society by those who chose to come here (or the UK) and now want to destroy, tear down and radically alter the fabric of society. |
Just more collateral damage in the war of good and evil playing out in your head, hey?
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Wokko
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| pietillidie wrote: |
Just more collateral damage in the war of good and evil playing out in your head, hey? |
Just another insulting comment from an arrogant tosser, hey?
Seems to be your go to move whenever you're disagreed with. Quite frankly you need to stop being a douchebag when people don't conform to your world view. |
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